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Post by bodger on Jun 12, 2019 9:21:45 GMT
many of us, myself included, have gone through periods of deep depression and anxiety....... doesn't excuse being weak and resorting to drugs.
by comparison with the misery created within the user's family and the wider community resulting from his/her criminal actions, possibly involving hundreds of vulnerable and frightened people, the personal misery takes a back seat in my mind.
I speak from experience:
A relative who played around with drugs as a lad, AFAIK still uses, and now thinks it is OK to set fire to things - garden sheds, church doors, cars - (maybe next week your home?). He lives at home at the age of 40, unemployed, and is entirely uncommunicative with his family including his father who is now in an advanced stage of parkinson's and needs 24 hour care from his wife. He won't help in any way - not clearing up the garden, doing odd jobs around the home, helping his dad to get up and move around, nothing. A total waste of space, and a burden to his family and the local community who are worried what he will do next. Family will not throw him out because they are concerned that their home would then become the target of his attacks.
My parents, in their 90's, had to face an intruder in their home late evening - scared the shit out of them and left them feeling utterly insecure. No doubt a user looking for stuff to steal to feed his habit.
My daughter was mugged by an knife-wielding scrote in her home street in London at 11pm, returning from a night out with friends. Only her screaming brought out the neighbours (all black - bless them) who ran him off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 9:37:54 GMT
Just for contrast....
As a young adult I lived in a shard house, a couple of the people I shared with were into drugs (i quite a big way - enough for me to wonder whether I should move out). I was into mountaineering and climbing.
To cut a long story short, the two drug users were introduced to climbing by me at their request - one is now a Head teacher at a primary school the other is Head of science at a secondary school, both still climb as a way of dealing with life stresses. Both acknowledge that if it wasn't for a chance encounter their life may have turned out very different.
Point is - if we increase the chances of good happening then we decrease the chances of bad happening - never give up until it's time to give up...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 9:38:37 GMT
I guess it depends on how addictive something is. I have never used any class a drugs myself. I am addicted to alcohol but its possible that heroin is much more powerful and that it's impossible to avoid addiction.
If that were the case and everyone who tried it became a dyed in the wool problematic addict instantly then it could be quite a big problem.
I've no idea how easy it would be for people to use H socially like a lot of people use alcohol.
Perhaps its not possible.
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Post by Jim on Jun 12, 2019 10:25:27 GMT
I guess it depends on how addictive something is. I have never used any class a drugs myself. I am addicted to alcohol but its possible that heroin is much more powerful and that it's impossible to avoid addiction. If that were the case and everyone who tried it became a dyed in the wool problematic addict instantly then it could be quite a big problem. I've no idea how easy it would be for people to use H socially like a lot of people use alcohol. Perhaps its not possible. I've seen people dealing with both heroin and alcohol addiction, the alcohol was worse. It also has more deleterious effects on your body than heroin. It often gets ignored in these discussions, maybe because people like a drink and would rather not label it as a Drug and themselves as Druggies. Many moons ago swmbo was prescribed Vallium, that took longer and was harder to come off than H or booze.
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 12, 2019 10:33:30 GMT
Many moons ago swmbo was prescribed Vallium, that took longer and was harder to come off than H or booze. Bit of a one your missus, having been addicted to booze, heroin and valium!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 10:47:38 GMT
We are all individuals. Some of us are susceptible to addictive behaviours, whether that be drugs, alcohol, gambling, nicotine, or social media People will always let you down innit. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 12:29:45 GMT
We are all individuals. Some of us are susceptible to addictive behaviours, whether that be drugs, alcohol, gambling, nicotine, or social media People will always let you down innit. Rog "Innit". Since your buzzcut, you seem to acquired the habit of impersonating southern slang. Let's just remind you you're from Rotherham, not bloody Romford. 😂😂
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 12, 2019 12:35:42 GMT
Last night driving along a busy M6 around 10pm I said to Pirkko it looks as if petrol is a drug worse than heroin. Unbelievable how many cars & lorries on the move - how many daft housewives have ordered shoes from Zalando, found out they didn't like them and are sending them back?! How come so much traffic at that time of night? Britain is most definitely overpopulated, and no-one is really interested in saving oil for future generations, let's be honest. Not from what we see, anyway. The powers that be would like us to be more environmentally friendly, save stuff for the future, but there are 2 clearly defined limits: In no circumstances should people be dissuaded from excessive buying of stuff they don't need, and people will continue to be encouraged to have as many children as they like, the children then also being encouraged to buy as much needless stuff as possible, quite obviously.
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Post by bodger on Jun 12, 2019 14:59:56 GMT
yay! .................. about time we developed the post-capitalist economy.
In view of May's carbon commitments (as if she will be in a driving seat making the impossible happen) we must assume that the surplus populations of all countries will be dedicated to producing gas-free energy, possible by consuming jellyfish (of which there is a huge over-supply) and working treadmills connected to car charging points. Benefits will be abolished in favour of local zero hours work contracts charging cars when they plug into the treadmill point. Community service will be similar except the hours must be spent charging up a bus or a truck - 'you are hereby sentenced to 3 buses and one 44 tonne artic' and you will be locked into the modern equivalent of the stocks while you perform.
The cars will have a dual role - transportation and then acting as a landline power source for your home.
If enough surplus energy is generated it would allow the airlines to offset their avgas purchases, and would line the pockets of the strongest and most industrious treadmill workers, which is the way it should be.
Pensioners would also be abolished (but only after May's target of 2050, by which time my ashes will have been thrown into the air on a windy day somewhere on the moors).
What's not to like?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 15:11:37 GMT
Last night driving along a busy M6 around 10pm I said to Pirkko it looks as if petrol is a drug worse than heroin . Thanks for stopping by yesterday at the Blue Lias Foxy. It was nice meeting you both and thanks again for the treats. The chocolate has nearly all been scoffed!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 12, 2019 15:16:38 GMT
Steady on... You can't abolish benefits, as this will put more children into poverty. The ability to procreate randomly, accidentally, recklessly must be maintained, the topic is not open to discussion, it's sacrosanct.
I suggest that instead those without children do 'double shifts' on the treadmills, as their civic duty.
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Post by Jim on Jun 12, 2019 15:55:01 GMT
Steady on... You can't abolish benefits, as this will put more children into poverty. The ability to procreate randomly, accidentally, recklessly must be maintained, the topic is not open to discussion, it's sacrosanct. I suggest that instead those without children do 'double shifts' on the treadmills, as their civic duty. The feckless are doing it for you Clinton Cool, to pay your state pension. What with all the baby boomers retiring we either have to breed or import hard working labour to boost our economy. The latter aren't too popular at the moment so I don't know what we'll do.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 12, 2019 15:58:39 GMT
It would be interesting to know how many offspring of the feckless will contribute towards any pension I might get, rather than reducing it. I'm not expecting the government to commission any such report anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 12:14:34 GMT
Well, leadsom and mcvey are both out, thank fuck. Hopefully rabb and Stewart will be the next losers.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 13, 2019 12:25:33 GMT
Well, leadsom and mcvey are both out, thank fuck. Hopefully rabb and Stewart will be the next losers. They've obviously learned the lesson of having a woman in charge of the place.
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