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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 29, 2019 16:19:15 GMT
I've decided, after 6 years, that the rather large storage space under my bed, being open, looks a bit of a mess. Would be far better with 2 pairs of doors there. I've few specialist tools but I do have a tenon saw and a drill.
The plan: use 44 x 34 timber to create the doors. Simply cut to length and screw and glue, no specialised joints. Make infills from timber cladding. This should look good, the upper part of the wall and ceiling is in varnished cladding. Glue and nail these to the rear of the door frames. Then hang on normal hinges maybe fashion a catch out of a couple of magnets or something, but leave that bit till later. Stain/ varnish to roughly match the existing.
I'm not after a 100% job, probably not possible without specialist tools and skills, just an OK job.
Any tips?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 20:25:18 GMT
I would suggest that its quite difficult to get the frames all nice and square without clamps. Here's some nice and cheap ones to make it a breeze: www.toolstation.com/t-bar-sash-clamp/p21813If these are not long enough for the job, consider making your own with 2x3 and some wedges. Also, go posh and use dowels instead of screws. Much more satisfying! At the timber yard, specify PSE and sight each board for warp and other defects (splits, shakes, knots). They'll sell you any old shit otherwise. But the easiest way possible to make cupboard doors is measure the sizes required and get the timber yard to cut them from a plywood sheet nice and exact with their machinery. Then all you have to do is seal the edges. This would work well with the runner idea. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 29, 2019 22:21:14 GMT
Cheers for the replies. I was thinking B&Q for the timber, 19 quid for a 4 pack of 44 x 34. They do up to 15 cuts free of charge which is nice, I can start off with something reasonably square.
Is this a mistake?
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Post by patty on Jun 30, 2019 6:03:51 GMT
Cheers for the replies. I was thinking B&Q for the timber, 19 quid for a 4 pack of 44 x 34. They do up to 15 cuts free of charge which is nice, I can start off with something reasonably square. Is this a mistake? Ants n I tried making frames for his VW van conversion for cupboards..it didn't end up quite right. Not sure if the doors will align. We didn't have proper clamps.. Its not easy..y tube guys make it look easy...but they lie . Good luck with yours |
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Post by JohnV on Jun 30, 2019 6:49:17 GMT
Cheers for the replies. I was thinking B&Q for the timber, 19 quid for a 4 pack of 44 x 34. They do up to 15 cuts free of charge which is nice, I can start off with something reasonably square. Is this a mistake? B&Q (in fact all of the ilk) do not supply the best of quality when it comes to wood supplies. Be very careful choosing plastic wrapped packs of timber .... it is hard to see if they are warped or twisted I buy from timber yards as a first preference. (but unless you know a carpenter who can advise who is good and who isn't .... well) Nemesis is right about using ply for the doors, get good quality and go thick (12mm) (all good timber yards will cut for a small fee) If you then edge them in 12mm batten in a contrasting wood, they can look very smart, Ideally mitred at the corners but even square cut can look ok Doing the doors like that means you know they are square .... it's then a matter of getting the frame to match.  The more woodwork jobs you do ...... the better it starts to look. If you are not happy with the result, just tell everyone they are a temporary job until you can get the right materials ..... I have had temporary jobs like that have lasted over 20 years  |
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 30, 2019 9:54:40 GMT
The last time I got a yard to cut up a sheet of ply (to make drawers) none of the cuts were square so the only gain was a pile of smaller pieces to transport. Then I had to redesign as I sorted it out so the now square but smaller pieces could be used. I should have just got them to cut the sheet in half to transport! The moral is the usual one - if you want a job done properly, do it yourself.
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 30, 2019 10:12:45 GMT
Another vote for real wood edging. I made these drawers under the bed, edged with angle trim to cover the multitude of sins. Further in is the calorifier so I only had enough depth for drawers. Drawers are a winner at low level, I hate crawling on the floor to access cupboards.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 11:10:42 GMT
Another vote for real wood edging. I made these drawers under the bed, edged with angle trim to cover the multitude of sins. Further in is the calorifier so I only had enough depth for drawers. Drawers are a winner at low level, I hate crawling on the floor to access cupboards. A fantastic-looking result although I think your choice of handles is questionable . The b&q crap would be ok to make the cramps with! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 11:37:30 GMT
Unless you are a diva with a tenon-saw, or you have a circular saw, you will be unable to achieve the level of accuracy that the yard can provide with their cross-cut machine (if the yard is any good). Square edges are highly desirable. It may be worth bribing the yard-guy, a not-unknown practice.
So….before you buy any materials, make a drawing that has the exact dimensions of each component. Then get the timber yard to cut all lengths to size. If this works out, all there will be left to do is assemble what is almost a flat-pack. The more accurate and detailed your drawing, the better the job will be.
I could offer a few words on technique as well, but one thing at a time.
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Post by bodger on Jun 30, 2019 16:37:23 GMT
The last time I got a yard to cut up a sheet of ply (to make drawers) none of the cuts were square so the only gain was a pile of smaller pieces to transport. Then I had to redesign as I sorted it out so the now square but smaller pieces could be used. I should have just got them to cut the sheet in half to transport! The moral is the usual one - if you want a job done properly, do it yourself. that shouldn't be possible if it is cut on a jig like B&Q use for all sheet materials. they must have done it by hand marking. |
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Post by samsam on Jun 30, 2019 17:10:18 GMT
Buy a cartridge of 5 minute polyurethane wood glue. It sticks anything and you can just hold it or string it together whilst it sets.
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 30, 2019 17:12:40 GMT
Another vote for real wood edging. I made these drawers under the bed, edged with angle trim to cover the multitude of sins. Further in is the calorifier so I only had enough depth for drawers. Drawers are a winner at low level, I hate crawling on the floor to access cupboards. A fantastic-looking result although I think your choice of handles is questionable . The b&q crap would be ok to make the cramps with! The handles were the only part of some kitchen cupboards that didn't go in the skip. The only good thing about them is that they don't bite your ankles. |
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 30, 2019 17:22:08 GMT
The last time I got a yard to cut up a sheet of ply (to make drawers) none of the cuts were square so the only gain was a pile of smaller pieces to transport. Then I had to redesign as I sorted it out so the now square but smaller pieces could be used. I should have just got them to cut the sheet in half to transport! The moral is the usual one - if you want a job done properly, do it yourself. that shouldn't be possible if it is cut on a jig like B&Q use for all sheet materials. they must have done it by hand marking. I got them to cut it into strips...every strip was wider at one end than the other by maybe 3-4mm. was done on a bench saw with a long guide that should have been enough to get them straight. Not B&Q, it was a proper wood yard. The only time I used B&Q I had to report the numbskull who's main interest was seeing how quickly he could get the saw from top to bottom. The cut was square but really it should take more than 1 second to cut through a solid beech kitchen worktop so he wrecked it then hit a piece of ali too, wrecking the blade. I figured he would loose a limb or injure a customer the way he was going about it. I abandoned that and shopped elsewhere. His boss said it was a new blade that morning. Hmm, I could see why they were getting through them! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 18:08:35 GMT
Buy a cartridge of 5 minute polyurethane wood glue. It sticks anything and you can just hold it or string it together whilst it sets. To the devil with your '5 minute polyurethane wood glue' of which you speak. |
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Post by JohnV on Jun 30, 2019 18:16:16 GMT
My tin of Cascamite glue sits prominently on my stores shelf. Originally it belonged to my father and was the glue to use. However since the introduction of PU glues ..... it stays on the bloody shelf  |
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