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Post by ianali on Jul 4, 2019 19:50:37 GMT
Having left Liverpool we are now probably heading to Leeds. From Leeds we are wondering about coming back down to the midlands via the Trent. Has anyone here done this? If so are there any problems with it being tidal? Do you need VHF? 58 foot NB with a decent engine.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 4, 2019 20:06:14 GMT
Presumably you were thinking of out at Keadby and up on the flood Avoid the biggest tides Grand trip and worth breaking it up into easy stages First stop West Stockwith and a walk down the road to the Idle Brewery (just behind the White Hart Inn ) If you feel adventurous up the Chesterfield Then another short hop to Torksey and the Fossdyke (and Lincoln if you should feel so inclined) Then another nice little run up to Cromwell lock when it comes to timings and if you have concerns then Mr Dunkley is the Oracle. Lovely run !!!
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Post by ianali on Jul 4, 2019 20:15:22 GMT
Presumably you were thinking of out at Keadby and up on the flood Avoid the biggest tides Grand trip and worth breaking it up into easy stages First stop West Stockwith and a walk down the road to the Idle Brewery (just behind the White Hart Inn ) If you feel adventurous up the Chesterfield Then another short hop to Torksey and the Fossdyke (and Lincoln if you should feel so inclined) Then another nice little run up to Cromwell lock when it comes to timings and if you have concerns then Mr Dunkley is the Oracle. Lovely run !!! Thanks for reply. We have only just thought of doing this and have no idea what it entails, to be honest. What do you mean by up on the flood? Does the fact that I don’t know mean I should steer clear? Have been on several rivers but nearest to tidal was down to Brentford on the Thames.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 4, 2019 20:51:42 GMT
Damn .... just typed out a long reply then accidentally wiped the bloody thing Grrrrr
with the flood when the tide is coming in it is flooding when it is going out it is ebbing
You don't go on the biggest tides because the current is very strong and if you haven't timed it right it can be tricky getting in anywhere. also on the biggest springs there might be the risk of an aegir
(The height of the tide varies over a month with the biggest tides being called springs and the smallest neaps and an aegir is a wave that sweeps up parts of the river like the bore on the Severn)
you try and time it so that you get to Stockwith at the top of the tide so the current is very gentle
(when Peterboat and I took Sabina up there we timed it spot on and just crept into the lock ..... which was tight ..... very tight !!! )
The entrance to the Fossdyke at Torksey is a lot easier because there is a cut a few hundred feet long before the lock with pontoons on either side
Not a bad stop even if you don't go through the lock as there is a good pub just up the road (beer and food good)
that then leaves just the run up to Cromwell lock again you use the flood to push you up there
There is no point in trying to punch up against the current, you're just flogging the engine and wasting fuel
ps remember that everyone who now does it regularly had to do it a first time
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Post by JohnV on Jul 4, 2019 20:59:15 GMT
something I forgot to add when I re typed that ..... VHF is not essential but it is very handy If you can beg or borrow one (a handheld would do at a pinch) do so. even just listening in to others, helps you be aware of what is going on around you, mobile reception is pretty good and you can contact the locks by that if you have to
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Post by JohnV on Jul 4, 2019 21:02:57 GMT
Ha another bit I missed from the repeat .... a GPS is handy (even a car one works quite well although it occasionally lies with where you are) .... but the important thing is knowing your speed, that way you can slow down or speed up to make sure you arrive at the correct time.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 4, 2019 21:21:04 GMT
I think going upstream from Keadby is easier than going downstream to Keadby - because you don’t have to turn into a tight lock entrance in the presence of significant current.
Tides at sea are fairly sinusoidal. Tides up a river are not. The ebb (tide going out) lasts a lot longer than tide coming in (flood). On the other hand, the flood moves up the river. So whilst the flood at a specific point doesn’t last long, if you motor up with the flood it lasts a lot longer, hopefully enough to reach a destination, or nearly so.
But added to all of that is the “fresh”, ie the rainwater coming down the river. So in times of heavy rain / lots of “fresh”, going upstream is more painful
As said you can stop at W Stockwith (Chesterfield canal) and, more easily, Torksey (Fossdyke).
Trent boating association does good guides to the tidal Trent, worth getting hold of.
We plan to do the same thing later this year, I’m not phased about it. We took a 45’ narrowboat with aircooled 3 pot lister down the tidal Trent to Keadby in about 1974 (and then on to Ripon (just short of). We were all about 18 (no parents). So it can’t be that hard.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 4, 2019 21:52:41 GMT
I think going upstream from Keadby is easier than going downstream to Keadby - because you don’t have to turn into a tight lock entrance in the presence of significant current. agree, that entrance at Keadby with the tide running can be a bit ..... interesting (with a small engine), especially if there is a timber ship on the berth immediately upstream Did it with Shapfell which only does about 6 mph flat out with a following wind and being a yoghurt pot I was kept swanning about while they tucked all the narrowboats into the lock first. By the time they were ready for me it was running like an express train ...... as I said interesting ...... going upstream was much easier, I don't remember any problems with Shapfell ....... Sabina is ...... somewhat less handy ....... but bags of horsepower
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Post by Jim on Jul 5, 2019 4:58:44 GMT
I've done Keadby to Torksey then to Cromwell. Great fun. Went up to Saxilby for a night from Torksey. That was in a Dawncraft 22 with a Honda 10 shoving it.
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Post by Jim on Jul 5, 2019 4:59:07 GMT
I've done Keadby to Torksey then to Cromwell. Great fun. Went up to Saxilby for a night from Torksey. That was in a Dawncraft 22 with a Honda 10 shoving it.
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Post by kris on Jul 5, 2019 6:18:55 GMT
Twice the fun then.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 5, 2019 8:01:52 GMT
<....... We took a 45’ narrowboat with aircooled 3 pot lister down the tidal Trent to Keadby in about 1974 (and then on to Ripon (just short of). We were all about 18 (no parents). So it can’t be that hard. The Ouse is more exciting than the Trent (especially if you are too large to use Selby) We found it ...... hairy a couple of times, on the lower bit from Goole. Doing both rivers in Sabina taught me to have the greatest respect for the bargemen who used to do it regularly. in all conditions with huge ungainly craft, often with dinky little engines. On the Trent the entrance to Nether lock coming downstream, I found tight on a 66 foot barge and I am astounded that they used to come under that bridge round that tight little jink and into the lock with loaded barges 150 foot or more long (or sometimes with a tug and more than one barge !!!)
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Post by kris on Jul 5, 2019 9:55:57 GMT
this is on the floating pontoon at Gainsborough . I had the same whilst waiting there for a tide whilst coming up the Trent. I was tied on with something more substantial than the dental floss that the narrowboat in the video is using.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 5, 2019 10:07:32 GMT
Remainers like to vote more than once!
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