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Post by twiggy on Jul 6, 2019 10:26:04 GMT
Hello Thunderboaters
So, the boatbuilder was going to install me a theford cassette loo, only this isnt happening now, I've been left with a bucket instead.
This has led me to look at the options again, I like the idea of incinerating but who has these funds, chimney space and heat power? Pumpout is not an option anymore - dont want one anyway.
So this leaves the cassette or the compost loo hey.
Thinking if it's compost I would have to go for an electric vented model, install looks fairly easy as well. One of the USP's for this product is it doesn't smell - if this is true I would be happy to pay for this, like the Airhead or alike. Anyone got one? IS THIS TRUE?
I'm thinking liquid waste can create a pretty bad smell as well, but have been told if I add vinegar to the container and keep it clean this isn't a problem.
Can anyone confirm this?
Also, where do you get rid of your poop? It needs emptying say once a month and yet it is at least a 6 month process (if not longer) for it to ferment - so how do you dispose of yours?
(Mr Stabby, no need for you to answer this q as I already know your method and I'm still paying a therapist to help me get past this). Thanks. T.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 10:34:12 GMT
I am always suspicious of anyone that says do so and so and there'll be no smell. Pee and crap smells. Everybodies. Every animals. It smells. Live with it. The rest is personal preference I guess. I have studied the compost loo idea, but as you're emptying liquid every two or three days, I figure I may as well empty a cassette and not have to worry about seperating, fans, storage etc. If I lived on a mooring like peterboat, then composting may make sense. If I had a huge wide beam like kris, storage wouldn't be so much of an issue whilst travelling. But I'm on a narrow, so have a simple Thetford with three cassettes and buy blue Rog
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Post by kris on Jul 6, 2019 10:38:56 GMT
Vinegar does remove the smell from your urine container. Crt recommend double bagging and putting in their waste bins. Most people use bio degradable bags so at least if you do this it will end up back in nature eventually. The airhead seems very exspensive for what it is. In my opinion it's better to make your own. You will need a separator I'm not sure who the best people to buy these from are now. Anyway I've had a compost loos for a few years now and wouldn't go back to a cassette for anybody.
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Post by twiggy on Jul 6, 2019 10:45:48 GMT
Yes me too Rog, and there seems to be a lot of products on the market these days that do not do what they say on the tin hey - hence my post. Pretty big outlay (or mistake to make) in this example. Cassette does seem to be the method of choice for the boating folk I speak to - but then is that because the cassette has been the most popular over this decade - are these new innovations worth a go now for number 1s and 2s? OK thanks for your reply, it's appreciated. T.
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Post by twiggy on Jul 6, 2019 10:50:24 GMT
Cheers Kris, sounds promising; yes I've seen some do it yourself one's and I'm pretty impressed tbh on the finish, but was unsure about functionality, would have to make sure it'sealed and vented correctly. Have you got a vent on yours?
Disposal sounds ok then, yes like the idea of biodegradable bags.
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Post by kris on Jul 6, 2019 11:00:15 GMT
I don't have a vent through the roof no, I might put one of these in when the loo ends up in its final position. As I understand it they help with removal of moisture from your bucket which helps the process. The important things to eliminate smells from the boat are covering your solids well. I use more sawdust in the summer than winter. Also having a seat and lid that are reasonably airtight, well at least sit flush with no air gaps, this can make a big difference to smells in the boat and stop flys getting in and breading in your compost. The best solution is to have a large container on land somewhere to decant your buckets into, if this isn't possible then bagging and binning is acceptable at the moment. Strictly speaking if you use it this way, it's not a composting toilet but a dry toilet.
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Post by twiggy on Jul 6, 2019 11:00:48 GMT
Does this mean you can put biodegradable loo paper in the back as well then Kris?
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Post by twiggy on Jul 6, 2019 11:03:16 GMT
Yes it is really isnt it, a dry loo more than a compost
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Post by kris on Jul 6, 2019 11:07:12 GMT
Does this mean you can put biodegradable loo paper in the back as well then Kris? Yes I can't see that being a problem, personally I put the paper into a separate bin and burn it on the fire. This is probably more of an old habit though, as I first used compost loos on small holdings where the compost is going on to the land. In the right conditions it doesn't actually take long for your waste to become good compost, but toilet paper takes much longer to break down. This would lead to the situation where you have some lovely compost that you can't tell the origins of except that it's got toilet paper mixed in with it. Obviously not good if your spreading it onto land.
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Post by kris on Jul 6, 2019 11:24:08 GMT
There's a Facebook group called compost toilets for boats and off grid living , which will be the best place to get more info. As far as I know there are only two people who use compost loos on this group.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 12:08:30 GMT
My preferred toilet unit is the gps guided instant freeze compressed air mortar unit. "Out of shite out of mind".
Removes the waste to a location where it creates less problems for the producer.
Unfortunately nobody has successfully brought it to market as yet due to difficulties with the rapid freeze drying.
When i get time I am going to try a diy version using sink waste or drain pipes and an empty fire extinguisher for the air tank.
I think it could work without freezing but would need more durable containers/projectiles in order to remove the waste to a suitably distant location taking into account varying weather patterns. Perhaps empty beer cans could be adapted to this purpose for the solids.
My calculations suggest if it were feasible to project the material in the order of 1250 yards distance it would significantly reduce the probability of negative feedback issues.
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Post by kris on Jul 6, 2019 12:15:53 GMT
My preferred toilet unit is the gps guided instant freeze compressed air mortar unit. "Out of shite out of mind". Removes the waste to a location where it creates less problems for the producer. Unfortunately nobody has successfully brought it to market as yet due to difficulties with the rapid freeze drying. When i get time I am going to try a diy version using sink waste or drain pipes and an empty fire extinguisher for the air tank. I think it could work without freezing but would need more durable containers/projectiles in order to remove the waste to a suitably distant location taking into account varying weather patterns. Perhaps empty beer cans could be adapted to this purpose for the solids. Yes or alternatively just carry on crapping into carrier bags and either throw them over the nearest fence or hang them in the trees along with the dog poop bags. Oh no carrier bags aren't free anymore are they?
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Post by twiggy on Jul 6, 2019 12:49:50 GMT
No throwing shit on my thread please you two lol
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Post by twiggy on Jul 6, 2019 12:51:02 GMT
Thanks Kris - all v helpful, think I'm swaying for sure - everyone I have spoken to that has one (not many tho) - do say they would never go back.
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Post by kris on Jul 6, 2019 12:51:35 GMT
No throwing shit on my thread please you two lol It's okay we know each other.
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