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Post by Jim on Oct 5, 2019 17:11:55 GMT
Q From Tessa Huyshe: Toe-rag or tow-rag? I can’t find it in any dictionary, slang dictionary or Fowler’s. What’s the derivation? A Aha, another term from that inexhaustible store of rude British slang expressions (though it is also well-known in Australia). It means that the person addressed is contemptible or worthless, a scrounger. Though it can be a relatively mild insult among friends, you should avoid saying it to strangers unless you want a smack in the mush or a punch up the bracket. The original form — in the nineteenth century — was toe rag. It referred to the strips of cloth that convicts or tramps wrapped around their feet as an inadequate substitute for socks. The first recorded use is by J F Mortlock in his Experiences of a Convict of 1864: “Stockings being unknown, some luxurious men wrapped round their feet a piece of old shirting, called, in language more expressive than elegant, a ‘toe-rag’ ”. It didn’t take long to become a term of abuse — in 1875 a book on British circus life said that “Toe rags is another expression of contempt ... used ... chiefly by the lower grades of circus men, and the acrobats who stroll about the country, performing at fairs”. It seems to have come to wider British knowledge and use from the 1970s on, largely because it was aired in the ITV police series The Sweeney about the London mobile detective force called the flying squad (rhyming slang: flying squad = Sweeney Todd, the demon barber of Fleet Street), a programme that delighted in using London slang. The tow-rag spelling is sometimes seen because people have lost the link to the original sense, long since obsolete. As a lower grade of circus man yourself, I would have thought you would have known this. Then there are two derivations, up north its tow rag, which the academic southerner wouldn't have come across. A far worse insult, that is more apt for Boris. As "tow" is also used to describe waste Cotton rags that could have been the original derivation too. I doubt the circus lads spelt it out for the upper class muppet monitoring them, he presumed toe because of the use on the feet. I'm a circus owner proprietor btw.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 5, 2019 19:34:31 GMT
I don't know anything about an 'international agreement' between the north/south Irish border but Brexit means there will be changes and that can be one of them. Why not? Ireland (Eire) is a foreign country and the UK can now charge whatever they like for the Irish to bring their lorries across the country. Certainly a tax for the use of the road network. And insurance checks and vehicle inspection checks. Also driver checks - is their 'professional permit' up to date? Tachograph issues? Should we abide by agreements we have made or not? Simple question, simple answer yes or no... You obviously don't, with a majority voting for the UK to leave the EU and you having a good old moan-moan-moan (carries on for several pages) about it.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 5, 2019 19:40:12 GMT
Keep up, on the back row, I'm training my youngest grandson up. He did his work experience with Tony Lloyd, Haha! Tony Lloyd the criminal. What a great start!
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Post by thebfg on Oct 5, 2019 20:24:24 GMT
Keep up, on the back row, I'm training my youngest grandson up. He did his work experience with Tony Lloyd, was quoted in Parliament by him. He recently went to the party conference, aged 14. None of that stops me baiting him though, calling him Joe "The Red" White. And asking if Jeremy cured any cripples by laying on hands at the conference. So no coherent answer. Typical labour.
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Post by Jim on Oct 6, 2019 6:22:59 GMT
Keep up, on the back row, I'm training my youngest grandson up. He did his work experience with Tony Lloyd, was quoted in Parliament by him. He recently went to the party conference, aged 14. None of that stops me baiting him though, calling him Joe "The Red" White. And asking if Jeremy cured any cripples by laying on hands at the conference. So no coherent answer. Typical labour. The only thing I didn't put is a "No", it was implied in the rest of my coherent answer about being an MP. I don't wish to but my grandson does. I hope the words I'm using aren't too long and complicated.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 6, 2019 9:13:28 GMT
So no coherent answer. Typical labour. The only thing I didn't put is a "No", it was implied in the rest of my coherent answer about being an MP. I don't wish to but my grandson does. I hope the words I'm using aren't too long and complicated. Now pass comment on the link that blows your previous post out of the water. You should be an MP, you have the same traits. I understood what you wrote.
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Post by Jim on Oct 6, 2019 9:26:46 GMT
The only thing I didn't put is a "No", it was implied in the rest of my coherent answer about being an MP. I don't wish to but my grandson does. I hope the words I'm using aren't too long and complicated. Now pass comment on the link that blows your previous post out of the water. You should be an MP, you have the same traits. I understood what you wrote. I've read the article, there is no definitive proof in it that he "met the IRA". There is a picture of him with the President of Sinn Fein. Was Corbyn wrong to seek peace and to commemorate all deaths in the conflict. The conflict was put in hold through the discussions with the IRA, it will resume if Boris' Brexiteers have their way, driving a herd of "Irish cows" through the GFA. What's that old political saw, "when in trouble, start a war". I narrowly missed being blown up in one of the Manchester bombs, I'd just driven down Deansgate, was at traffic lights at the far end when it came on the radio, bomb gone off where I'd just been.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 6, 2019 9:36:32 GMT
Now pass comment on the link that blows your previous post out of the water. You should be an MP, you have the same traits. I understood what you wrote. I've read the article, there is no definitive proof in it that he "met the IRA". There is a picture of him with the President of Sinn Fein. Was Corbyn wrong to seek peace and to commemorate all deaths in the conflict. The conflict was put in hold through the discussions with the IRA, it will resume if Boris' Brexiteers have their way, driving a herd of "Irish cows" through the GFA. What's that old political saw, "when in trouble, start a war". I narrowly missed being blown up in one of the Manchester bombs, I'd just driven down Deansgate, was at traffic lights at the far end when it came on the radio, bomb gone off where I'd just been. The bombings were shocking. However there are many articles. He met them early in his career. He denied doing so, no claim that he was tying to resolve the issues. That claim only came out when he was caught lieing. Give it a rest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 10:02:14 GMT
Its often said that one man's terrorist is the next man's freedom fighter. All of my Irish relatives were plainly anti-I.R.A, who quite rightly found the violence to be abhorrent. And the republicans did themselves no favours when they began funding their activities by trafficking narcotics. Some say that in the later years, the I.R.A was (and is) nothing more than a drug gang kept alive by the profits with the occasional gesture to republicanism simply to maintain the myth that they were a political organisation.
However, the state-sponsored dominance of the nationalists led to some of the worst crimes committed against a social group that in modern times were surpassed only in the apartheid laws of South Africa. It is unsurprising that hatred in its purest form drove the violence.
In the final analysis, Ireland is an occupied country, some would argue since the days of the Lord Protector. The governance of Ireland by a foreign power is at the historical heart of the violence - this is undeniable.
Now would seem the most appropriate and opportune time to end what is a legacy of exploitation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 10:16:09 GMT
Now would seem the most appropriate and opportune time to end what is a legacy of exploitation. My view is that it is still far too early to fully go down the road of a United Ireland - maybe the next generation will be the right time, provided the GFA can be maintained for that long.
As for Corbyn - sometimes it is necessary to meet with the enemy to help start the introduction of a political will to end violence/war - whether that was his intention or whether he was sympathing with the enemy is a matter of conjecture.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 6, 2019 11:02:02 GMT
Now would seem the most appropriate and opportune time to end what is a legacy of exploitation. My view is that it is still far too early to fully go down the road of a United Ireland - maybe the next generation will be the right time, provided the GFA can be maintained for that long.
As for Corbyn - sometimes it is necessary to meet with the enemy to help start the introduction of a political will to end violence/war - whether that was his intention or whether he was sympathing with the enemy is a matter of conjecture.
That maybe the case. The point in hand is he denied ever doing so and was caught out. That is lieing. With jim, he loves his black kettle
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Post by Jim on Oct 6, 2019 11:51:43 GMT
Its often said that one man's terrorist is the next man's freedom fighter. All of my Irish relatives were plainly anti-I.R.A, who quite rightly found the violence to be abhorrent. And the republicans did themselves no favours when they began funding their activities by trafficking narcotics. Some say that in the later years, the I.R.A was (and is) nothing more than a drug gang kept alive by the profits with the occasional gesture to republicanism simply to maintain the myth that they were a political organisation. However, the state-sponsored dominance of the nationalists led to some of the worst crimes committed against a social group that in modern times were surpassed only in the apartheid laws of South Africa. It is unsurprising that hatred in its purest form drove the violence. In the final analysis, Ireland is an occupied country, some would argue since the days of the Lord Protector. The governance of Ireland by a foreign power is at the historical heart of the violence - this is undeniable. Now would seem the most appropriate and opportune time to end what is a legacy of exploitation. The GFA calls for a referendum in the North on a merger back with Eire, as soon as its likely they'll win. The catholics are out breeding the prods, the DUP are trying to cling to the last vestiges of power. Not that they seem to wish to govern over there, they just to keep the tories in power since May gave away her majority and fuck the rest of the UK up. The remainers won in NI. So just get it over with, just draw a line down the Irish Sea and set them adrift.
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Post by Jim on Oct 6, 2019 11:54:20 GMT
Should we abide by agreements we have made or not? Simple question, simple answer yes or no... You obviously don't, with a tiny weeny majority voting for the UK to leave the EU and you having a good old moan-moan-moan (carries on for several pages) about it. At least its my own well composed moaning, my opinions aren't generally borrowed from some tory arse wipe sheet while I pretend to be socialist. 😋
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Post by peterboat on Oct 6, 2019 12:03:48 GMT
Now pass comment on the link that blows your previous post out of the water. You should be an MP, you have the same traits. I understood what you wrote. I've read the article, there is no definitive proof in it that he "met the IRA". There is a picture of him with the President of Sinn Fein. Was Corbyn wrong to seek peace and to commemorate all deaths in the conflict. The conflict was put in hold through the discussions with the IRA, it will resume if Boris' Brexiteers have their way, driving a herd of "Irish cows" through the GFA. What's that old political saw, "when in trouble, start a war". I narrowly missed being blown up in one of the Manchester bombs, I'd just driven down Deansgate, was at traffic lights at the far end when it came on the radio, bomb gone off where I'd just been. Sorry Jim I can assure you he was an IRA sympathiser and was across in NI regularly, lots of pictures on the net and the ARMY followed his movements as well, and I spent a lot of time in NI in the 70s and 80s so the int corp knew what he was up to and I had lots of doings with the int corp
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 6, 2019 12:27:15 GMT
We need another referendum. Not a re run of the last one, but one to offer the people of Northern Ireland the chance to become part of Eire. This referendum is already agreed, part of the good Friday agreement. Given that the catholics continue to breed like rabbits and its estimated that they will be the majority in Northern Ireland by 2021, why not bring it forward a couple of years? No need to worry about violence, it's already scheduled by the good Friday agreement. If Northern Ireland voted to join Eire it would be splendid. Not only would it solve the biggest issue within Brexit, It would also end the need for Britain to continue to fund a perpetual money pit.
What's not to like?
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