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Post by Telemachus on Aug 5, 2019 12:49:53 GMT
Not particularly. None of my specific questions were answered and anyway, the lock keeper advised against travel at the big spring. I think if truth be known, you are a little bit anxious. Totally understandable in the circumstances. Take on board what both tony and john are saying, they are after all knowledgeable on the subject. No doubt the lock keeper will settle your nerves and make sure you have a safe passage. Personally my own view is that narrowboats are fit for purpose on canals. Taking them onto currents and tides is stretching their capabilities, add to that inexperience, and the ingredients for something going wrong is ever present. I’m not sure I’d say”anxious” exactly. But clearly the process is not to be taken lightly, which is why I asked for advice in the first place. Anyway the story now is that Jeff is staying in Selby whilst I go home, and we will go out on Tuesday mornin(next week) when the tides are weak. The bummer is that we have to go at about 05:45 am and I’m not good with early morning. Just have to suck it up and do it! The return is planned for near a spring, but apparently it is not a big spring. Just have to see how much fresh there is. Ultimately, we can of course delay if necessary, but that will mean rushing back to Tamworth and/or possibly missing my tug pilot duty on 31st
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Post by Jim on Aug 5, 2019 14:59:54 GMT
Last time we did the return from Ripon, in the Dawncraft 22 with 10hp, I made the turn and got round just after the lock, but it took ages, or so it seemed, before we began to move upstream and into the lock. I was briefly worried that we were going to Goole, backwards. I found it to be great fun coming down, once the ebb has started, there's a couple of long straights where it really shifts.
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Post by crackers on Aug 6, 2019 0:53:10 GMT
A good few years ago we had a cracking trip out at Selby and down to Bamber Barrage and up the Derwent to Stamford Bridge in a sturdy Norman 23. The most "interesting" part was getting back into Selby Lock on the return. It was not as hairy as an even more previous experience in the same Norman getting into Keadby off the Trent. That was our first ever trip after buying the boat in Nottingham and we learned very quickly about "rounding up"! Halcyon days!
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Post by Jim on Aug 6, 2019 7:43:35 GMT
A good few years ago we had a cracking trip out at Selby and down to Bamber Barrage and up the Derwent to Stamford Bridge in a sturdy Norman 23. The most "interesting" part was getting back into Selby Lock on the return. It was not as hairy as an even more previous experience in the same Norman getting into Keadby off the Trent. That was our first ever trip after buying the boat in Nottingham and we learned very quickly about "rounding up"! Halcyon days! Well, you certainly live up to your name!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 6, 2019 8:05:54 GMT
A good few years ago we had a cracking trip out at Selby and down to Bamber Barrage and up the Derwent to Stamford Bridge in a sturdy Norman 23. The most "interesting" part was getting back into Selby Lock on the return. It was not as hairy as an even more previous experience in the same Norman getting into Keadby off the Trent. That was our first ever trip after buying the boat in Nottingham and we learned very quickly about "rounding up"! Halcyon days! Hello ' crackers' , and welcome to Thunderboat ! You'll find it an interesting place, . . . all sorts of folks, some strange, some even more strange, but mostly friendly and well meaning. Unlike some other boating forums, you can express your views and feelings here, whatever they are, without fear or favour, so get stuck-in and enjoy yourself ! Have you still got your boat ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 8:21:18 GMT
A good few years ago we had a cracking trip out at Selby and down to Bamber Barrage and up the Derwent to Stamford Bridge in a sturdy Norman 23. The most "interesting" part was getting back into Selby Lock on the return. It was not as hairy as an even more previous experience in the same Norman getting into Keadby off the Trent. That was our first ever trip after buying the boat in Nottingham and we learned very quickly about "rounding up"! Halcyon days! I like the boat in your avatar Hampton Safari 25 ?
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 6, 2019 9:00:22 GMT
Video linked to on CWDF. If this is a typical flow rate, it looks fairly tame.
Apparently 6.7m tide with not much fresh.
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Post by airedaleman on Aug 6, 2019 9:14:48 GMT
We did this some years ago with our 50ft narrow boat. Going out and up to York went well and timed the tide just right. Coming back though we did as the Selby keeper suggested and tried to round up above the lock but found ourselves going down sideways past a coaster on the wharf. Managed to just clip the bows on a dolphin post and straightened up. Got level with the lock only to see mud banks either side of the entrance and the gates not open even though I had telephoned the keeper as he had asked as we pasted BOCM mill. He then opened them whilst we held the current and all finished up ok.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 6, 2019 9:46:30 GMT
Video linked to on CWDF. If this is a typical flow rate, it looks fairly tame. Apparently 6.7m tide with not much fresh. What are you going to do with all the 'bricks' your boat must be getting very full of by now ? Perhaps you could save a bit off next Winter's heating costs by drying them out thoroughly and burning them on the stove.
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Post by crackers on Aug 6, 2019 15:10:17 GMT
Thanks for the welcome Tony, have I still got the boat? No, traded up for a Bourne 35 on the Broads, GRP hull and mahogony top, then traded down to the pictured Hampton Safari 25 and also shifted her back to my original stamping ground at Broad Cut on the Calder and Hebble.
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Post by Jim on Aug 6, 2019 16:48:17 GMT
Thanks for the welcome Tony, have I still got the boat? No, traded up for a Bourne 35 on the Broads, GRP hull and mahogony top, then traded down to the pictured Hampton Safari 25 and also shifted her back to my original stamping ground at Broad Cut on the Calder and Hebble. We are planning to visit the Hepworth gallery in Wakefield shortly, by boat, will keep an eye out for you. I'm only going to get some pics of the art to post on here, educate the philistines.
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Post by duncan on Aug 6, 2019 17:10:10 GMT
Thanks for the welcome Tony, have I still got the boat? No, traded up for a Bourne 35 on the Broads, GRP hull and mahogony top, then traded down to the pictured Hampton Safari 25 and also shifted her back to my original stamping ground at Broad Cut on the Calder and Hebble. We are planning to visit the Hepworth gallery in Wakefield shortly, by boat, will keep an eye out for you. I'm only going to get some pics of the art to post on here, educate the philistines.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 6, 2019 17:10:47 GMT
Thanks for the welcome Tony, have I still got the boat? No, traded up for a Bourne 35 on the Broads, GRP hull and mahogony top, then traded down to the pictured Hampton Safari 25 and also shifted her back to my original stamping ground at Broad Cut on the Calder and Hebble. We are planning to visit the Hepworth gallery in Wakefield shortly, by boat, will keep an eye out for you. I'm only going to get some pics of the art to post on here, educate the philistines.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 7, 2019 7:10:47 GMT
did you look at the river level link I posted ? that gives a very good idea of what the conditions are like at the moment Yes I did. High at the moment, but subsiding. Anyway the nice man at Selby lock said he didn’t advise going out in a narrowboat on Monday due to spring tides, best to wait until Wednesday, which is what we’ll do. Big Spring tides should not be, and are not, a barrier on their own to pleasure craft wanting to get upriver to Naburn from Selby. It is the combined effect of big tides AND significant amounts of fresh that give rise to the potentially very dangerous lack of headroom that can sometimes be encountered at Cawood Bridge. It is, in fact, entirely possible for the Cawood air draught to be severely limited by a combination of small (Neap) tides plus exceptional amounts of fresh after unusually heavy rainfall. The crucial factor in making the decision as to to whether or not passage is safe for pleasure craft is the TOTAL amount of water in the river at any given time, and NOT just the predicted tide height considered in isolation. The "big tide" specific advice you were given earlier this week was simply ill-informed nonsense from someone who either knows little or nothing of the river other than within sight of the lock he's in charge of, or who was working strictly to the instructions of some C&RT office chair polisher who doesn't fully understand the advice, warnings, and the river level/bridge clearance data they were given after the 2015 Cawood incident with the pleasure boater who nearly finished his day several inches shorter than when he started it. Had you made the Selby-Naburn trip on Monday 5 August and left Selby on the first of the flood, the running time to Cawood with a big tide under you and only slowed very slightly by the 2' - 2' 6'' of fresh in the river between Selby and Naburn would have seen you through Cawood with something in excess of 12' of headroom under the (closed) swingbridge, and even if you had been late away from Selby, or delayed for any reason on the way, there would still have been a little over 8' under the bridge at local (Cawood) High Water. You probably won't agree, but I think the inconvenience the volunteer at Wigan caused you fades into insignificance in comparison this !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 7:51:56 GMT
Do they have fluvial flow meters around there? There is a useful one at Kingston on Thames which helps give an idea of the amount of extra water coming down from the catchment. www.thamestides.org.uk/nowHandy info.
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