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Post by Jim on Aug 11, 2019 12:55:27 GMT
I notice the reference to 'cracks and vegetation' at Toddbrook. I have no axe to grind either way, but I have to observe that I have not seen any evidence of cracks in the concrete (before the event) - only the joints between the concrete slabs. Nor do I recognise that vegetation (i.e weeds rather than shrubs and trees) will have any particular deleterious effect on the integrity of the spillway paving. Can anyone provide any evidence for either of these factors? one comment I saw was from the person who lives in the Reservoir Keepers House, so he is on site. Last summer I had to point up a chimney, a buddlea had sprouted and opened up a 20mm crack where the root had expanded. So a few saplings could open up a gap between spillway slabs, the material behind washes out, a void develops, disaster looms.
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Post by bodger on Aug 11, 2019 14:38:37 GMT
I notice the reference to 'cracks and vegetation' at Toddbrook. I have no axe to grind either way, but I have to observe that I have not seen any evidence of cracks in the concrete (before the event) - only the joints between the concrete slabs. Nor do I recognise that vegetation (i.e weeds rather than shrubs and trees) will have any particular deleterious effect on the integrity of the spillway paving. Can anyone provide any evidence for either of these factors? one comment I saw was from the person who lives in the Reservoir Keepers House, so he is on site. Last summer I had to point up a chimney, a buddlea had sprouted and opened up a 20mm crack where the root had expanded. So a few saplings could open up a gap between spillway slabs, the material behind washes out, a void develops, disaster looms. I agree, but the reports I have read suggest that there were no saplings (i.e. substantial young trees) present during the inspection undertaken a year ago.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 11, 2019 14:41:06 GMT
It would seem like their are more and more people catching on to how cart operate. i posted a link but due to my incompetence it didn't work, but if you scroll down Jim sorted it. Jenlyn re-Tweeted it last week and I put a link up to his Tweets. Anyone who clicked on that could have spotted it days ago. Of course, some, like me, subscribe to Private Eye. Another contribution from me into Britain's economy.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 11, 2019 14:44:55 GMT
I'm certainly interested. It's encouraging to hear that crts deliberate maintenance failures are getting an airing outside of boating forums where, lets face it, they have limited readership. I seem to remember foxy is into private eye, so he might make himself useful and take a photo of the snippet and post it on here? How nice to feel wanted when I'm needed. Normally I'd have it done like a rat up a drainpipe, but my P. Eyes are still in their wrappers, haven't gone through the post yet. Still going through our receipts and counting our money out-goings from our trip. 10 weeks of credit card sums is a lot to rummage through.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 14:44:56 GMT
I notice the reference to 'cracks and vegetation' at Toddbrook. I have no axe to grind either way, but I have to observe that I have not seen any evidence of cracks in the concrete (before the event) - only the joints between the concrete slabs. Nor do I recognise that vegetation (i.e weeds rather than shrubs and trees) will have any particular deleterious effect on the integrity of the spillway paving. Can anyone provide any evidence for either of these factors? one comment I saw was from the person who lives in the Reservoir Keepers House, so he is on site. Last summer I had to point up a chimney, a buddlea had sprouted and opened up a 20mm crack where the root had expanded. So a few saplings could open up a gap between spillway slabs, the material behind washes out, a void develops, disaster looms. I've not checked and I am no expert but I am pretty sure Buddleia is a shrub and will not actually have "saplings". Totally different to actual trees which are very damaging. Buddleia is all over the place including Moulsford GWR railway bridge over the Thames. Something tells me this would be dealt with if it was a serious issue. Maybe not.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 11, 2019 14:53:09 GMT
So... what news of Whaley Bridge? It's all gone quiet. Everyone all gone home? Any houses been looted? Will anyone be seeking damages for the costs and inconvenience? What next? A rebuild of the whole dam? What have investigations revealed? Have house prices fallen in Whaley Bridge after this, as, let's face it, who wants to live there any more with impending disaster looming? Can they even insure their houses now? I have been told that many houses and businesses along the Calder valley (Hebden Bridge - Sowerby Bridge area) cannot purchase insurance as insurance companies deem it too risky, too liable to flooding (as we saw of the Boxing Day flood of 2015).
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Post by Jim on Aug 11, 2019 14:59:35 GMT
So... what news of Whaley Bridge? It's all gone quiet. Everyone all gone home? Any houses been looted? Will anyone be seeking damages for the costs and inconvenience? What next? A rebuild of the whole dam? What have investigations revealed? Have house prices fallen in Whaley Bridge after this, as, let's face it, who wants to live there any more with impending disaster looming? Can they even insure their houses now? I have been told that many houses and businesses along the Calder valley (Hebden Bridge - Sowerby Bridge area) cannot purchase insurance as insurance companies deem it too risky, too liable to flooding (as we saw of the Boxing Day flood of 2015). Do keep up, Flood Re, a backup for householders by the insurance industry in general, a top up over normal policies covering domestic properties, doesn't cover commercial properties. Sorry to spoil a good whinge.
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Post by Jim on Aug 11, 2019 15:05:07 GMT
one comment I saw was from the person who lives in the Reservoir Keepers House, so he is on site. Last summer I had to point up a chimney, a buddlea had sprouted and opened up a 20mm crack where the root had expanded. So a few saplings could open up a gap between spillway slabs, the material behind washes out, a void develops, disaster looms. I've not checked and I am no expert but I am pretty sure Buddleia is a shrub and will not actually have "saplings". Totally different to actual trees which are very damaging. Buddleia is all over the place including Moulsford GWR railway bridge over the Thames. Something tells me this would be dealt with if it was a serious issue. Maybe not. OK Mr. Posh Picky Pedant. It was just a mis-spelt example of what plants can do to stonework. If a Bush can do that what can a tree sapling do. Something tells me CRT do not do everything they should to prevent deterioration of the infrastructure. I shared this on a a FB group to find myself stalked by Miss Jenny! She must be missing me, bless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 15:11:21 GMT
Point I was making is that tree saplings -are- dealt with but Buddleia seems to come under a different management routine. Just observation on my part.
Eta how dare you call me Posh you Peasant. I'm not posh at all I have breeding and innate class.
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Post by samsam on Aug 11, 2019 15:55:52 GMT
Bushes, trees, weeds, plants and buddleia do not grow out of solid concrete, only from the soil either in unpointed gaps, cracks or underneath.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 11, 2019 16:40:14 GMT
I'm certainly interested. It's encouraging to hear that crts deliberate maintenance failures are getting an airing outside of boating forums where, lets face it, they have limited readership. foxy is into private eye, so he might make himself useful Opening my mail now, and found this amusing:
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Post by Allan on Aug 11, 2019 17:54:46 GMT
Bushes, trees, weeds, plants and buddleia do not grow out of solid concrete, only from the soil either in unpointed gaps, cracks or underneath. Here is some drone footage of the spillway in 2016 (the first few seconds shows the spillway)
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 11, 2019 18:06:09 GMT
"How does your garden grow?"
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Post by bodger on Aug 11, 2019 18:55:12 GMT
"How does your garden grow?" when was the footage obtained? no sign of trees or saplings at the location where the collapse occurred as far as I can see.
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Post by bodger on Aug 11, 2019 18:56:39 GMT
So... what news of Whaley Bridge? It's all gone quiet. Everyone all gone home? Any houses been looted? Will anyone be seeking damages for the costs and inconvenience? What next? A rebuild of the whole dam? What have investigations revealed? Have house prices fallen in Whaley Bridge after this, as, let's face it, who wants to live there any more with impending disaster looming? Can they even insure their houses now? I have been told that many houses and businesses along the Calder valley (Hebden Bridge - Sowerby Bridge area) cannot purchase insurance as insurance companies deem it too risky, too liable to flooding (as we saw of the Boxing Day flood of 2015). a predating wild dog was observed rootling through drawers in ladies' bedroom chests, but apart from that ...................................
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