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Aug 17, 2019 16:16:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 16:16:42 GMT
So basically what you are saying is we have to believe the science when it suits the human effect on climate change agenda (even though it's a prediction) but ignore the science that shows that in fact there is more to this than simply man's influence? And that's despite the fact it's based on tangible evidence. A pretty typical stance if I may say so (even of course if you wont see this but it warrants challenging anyway). The current rise in temperatures, the storms we are seeing, aren't a prediction now, they are facts. Our effects are on top of what nature does naturally. (even of course if you wont see this but it warrants challenging anyway). Martin, don't make me giggle again. Read what I actually wrote not what you think I wrote. I have never actually said mankind is not having an impact nor that our effects are over and above what occurs naturally over millennia. It's about the scope of that impact set against what would have occurred anyway. The problem with some environmental zealots is that they like to portray what they call 'climate change deniers' as people who refuse to acknowledge man's impact at all. Where in truth in their efforts at belittling people they don't realize that all we are questioning is the scope of that impact. Its a bit like brexiteers who portray folk as people who voted remain as people who believe the EU is perfect, when in truth some of us do not. ie it's not as 'black and white' as some portray things. (Of course in our current binary social media driven political world it's almost inevitable). Declaring a 'climate change emergency' is frankly hysterical. Now that's really worth a giggle.
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Aug 17, 2019 16:53:12 GMT
Post by bodger on Aug 17, 2019 16:53:12 GMT
Chump would love you - why don't you carry on sowing the seeds of extinction? even if there is only a 10% chance that the climate change believers are right, that is still too much risk. even if it turns out that man has little effect on climate change, we, and the flora and fauna of this planet, will all be much better off if we adopt energy saving policies, and reduce carbon emissions. Twat !!! just read what I say not what your pygmy brain imagines I say !!! You might love to read hyped reports of what environmentalists think but if you actually believe they are telling the whole story "twat" is a deserved description There is sufficient genuine scientific information to suggest the industrial society is causing damage. Why dress it up with fake or (economical truth) hysteria. Fake news and exaggerations do not help the cause of reducing environmental impact. They just give large openings for those who disagree to blow giant size holes in it. Grow up and actually read what people say and don't jump to conclusions
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Aug 17, 2019 17:56:34 GMT
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Post by thebfg on Aug 17, 2019 17:56:34 GMT
Damn, I wrote a post and lost it. JohnV your first two posts were so well written, i could only ever aspire to write such posts. Your points are right. I don't know how we can accept a guess on the future but ignore what we know about the past. Of course they are educated guesses from clever people with amazing computing capacity.
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Aug 17, 2019 18:34:50 GMT
Post by patty on Aug 17, 2019 18:34:50 GMT
I will just continue to do what I can to use less plastics, recycle and try to reduce my reliance on the car..I buy local. It bothers me that I did not realise earlier the damage done to our planet but other matters had overwhelmed me.. My trips away that are booked I will do as I really don't want to lose £££'s Ive already paid on deposits but as to any others..I don't know. I guess its not much but if everyone does a bit it'll mount up.
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Post by bodger on Aug 17, 2019 19:14:46 GMT
The current rise in temperatures, the storms we are seeing, aren't a prediction now, they are facts. Rubbish. 1. We haven't seen any "rise in temperatures" - it was 37 Centigrade in Reading 3 weeks ago, but it was July. I have seen 37 before in Helsinki. 2. What 'storms'? I haven't seen a thunderstorm for... I can't remember how many years. Oh yes, there was lightning when we were in Penkridge early June. I was in bed. I should have got up and looked, as I like lightning. an ostrich might hide its head in the sand, but you hide yours up your arse.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 17, 2019 22:40:34 GMT
Much of this can be tackled by fiscal policy.
'Scrappage schemes'. Rather than scrapping perfectly good cars in favour of new ones, the components of which have been around the world more times than Michael Palin, the scheme should work in reverse. A punitive tax on new cars, the revenues from which being made available for subsidised repairs to older cars. Similar for washing machines etc. etc.
Following on from the previous paragraph: VAT increased but only applied to 'brand new consumer goods'. Zero sales tax on things like replacement parts, and the services of those who repair things.
'Child tax credits' to work in reverse. Handouts to those who don't have kids, rather than those who do.
That's just for starters.
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Aug 18, 2019 1:46:05 GMT
Post by patty on Aug 18, 2019 1:46:05 GMT
In the early days 'white goods' lasted for years, then came the throw away era and you'd be lucky if a washing machine saw 5 years service..cheap shoddy made goods designed for throw away society. Used to hate anything breaking down with the realisation repair cost almost as much as replacing. I started buying the cheapest and its life span no shorter that more expensive models. We do need to return to quality made, longer lasting stuff with emphasis on re-using, recycling what we can. I dunno if to-days younger generation will have the knowledge and awareness to want to change..have less kids and look after our planet. Do what is best for the 'collective we' as apposed to self. Its took me decades to acquire and realise the impact of a somewhat selfish lifestyle. However in younger days the constant drive to work work work, which is how nursing grabbed me plus juggling needs of children/care of parents/role of wife just overtook life.
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Aug 18, 2019 6:10:51 GMT
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Post by Jim on Aug 18, 2019 6:10:51 GMT
If we took thousands of shots of your phizzog we could come up with a shot, just possibly, against all odds, of you looking normal. You are cruel with your CnPs. I do understand that you get them from somewhere, but two wrongs don't make a right. Greta used to disapprove of fox hunting. I've just shared links to your posts with her.
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Aug 18, 2019 6:55:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 6:55:56 GMT
Oh you devil you.
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Aug 18, 2019 10:25:07 GMT
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Post by patty on Aug 18, 2019 10:25:07 GMT
I think we've done the ISIS one sufficiently so 'No thanks'... I don't think its an appropriate comparison. I'm out of this....
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Post by bodger on Aug 18, 2019 12:32:18 GMT
Compare and contrast: Swedish 16 year old lectures about Climate Change. politicians and celebrities bow to her superior wisdom. Shemima Begum 16 year old travels to Syria and joins ISIS in the hope of seeing infidels beheaded but is "too young to understand". and what, precisely, are you doing to raise awareness of the possibility probability of man-mad climate change apart from suggesting that someone who is, AFAIK, quite sincere in her activities should be open to criticism by the likes of you ? I could quote another case of an activist - a certain Pakistani young lady who was shot in the head and is now a Nobel Prize laureate. Go research Malala and give her the benefit of your publicity machine.
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Aug 18, 2019 12:38:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 12:38:05 GMT
Are you saying its all foxy's doing ?
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Post by bodger on Aug 18, 2019 13:42:07 GMT
and what, precisely, are you doing to raise awareness of the possibility probability of man-mad climate change apart from suggesting that someone who is, AFAIK, quite sincere in her activities should be open to criticism by the likes of you ? 1. Had a chat with our visitor from the Geography Department of a University about Climate Change. We came to the same conclusion that you really need to understand the Earth's history, and need a few million years to look back before you can make an attempt to judge whether it is man-made 'Climate Change' or not. 2. Why should I not criticise a hypocrite? Perhaps first she should concentrate on issues closer to home, like telling the immigrants of the past 30 years into Sweden who have turned certain areas into shithole ghettoes to stop burning cars, as that black smoke can be really acrid and give one a nasty cough. 1. so you are one of those Neros who is prepared to argue the point while the world spirals into an inhospitable desert. Even if you are proved to be right you will be long dead before there is any proof. And if you prove to be wrong then you are a contributory cause of our world dying before our eyes because you try to debunk those who do care. 2. since when does that make her a hypocrite? Why should you have the right to tell her which issues should concern her most? Perhaps she has a much wider vision than you who concentrates on a rather nasty tip of what is an enormous iceberg. Perhaps you don't have the vision and mental capacity to understand the real issues.
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Aug 18, 2019 14:47:52 GMT
Post by bodger on Aug 18, 2019 14:47:52 GMT
miaowwwww !!!!!
being catty is generally considered to be a girly thing. feel free to be as girly as you like. dilligaf?
.................... as usual you can't even begin to answer the questions that are posed in response to your infamous quotations drawn from various parts of the sensationalist meedya.
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Aug 18, 2019 15:00:38 GMT
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Post by Trina on Aug 18, 2019 15:00:38 GMT
miaowwwww !!!!! being catty is generally considered to be a girly thing. feel free to be as girly as you like. dilligaf? .................... as usual you can't even begin to answer the questions that are posed in response to your infamous quotations drawn from various parts of the sensationalist meedya. Excuse me,there are ladies here who don't appreciate catty remarks about girly catty remarks !
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