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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 22, 2019 7:22:54 GMT
People should be earning a decent wage, one in which they shouldn't be dependent on extra handouts. I believe everybody should be entitled to a good basic standard of living. Housing, medical services, the chance to study, the chance to work and earn more, nurseries for their kids, etc.
Capitalism is what makes the world go round, but there's no need for it to be unduly harsh - as in Canada and in USA.
By the way, why is Larkboy 'following' me? He has made several snide comments about me recently. Is he reading everything I post? It's a bit creepy.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 22, 2019 7:27:12 GMT
There shouldn't be any 'Child Benefit' needed in the first place, if wages were what they should be! perhaps you believe the failed centrally state-controlled economies of the Soviet Union are preferable to a market driven economy. Yes and No. Some control could be wise. However, all of the so-called 'Communist' countries have been nothing of the sort but, as usual, corrupt Mafias. Humans are generally too stupid and selfish to work and share together, which is why some form of government seems to be the best course of action. Without 'Socialism' Europe would have a shitty railways system as in Canada and the USA.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 22, 2019 7:28:12 GMT
There shouldn't be any 'Child Benefit' needed in the first place, if wages were what they should be! ?? what they should be ?? what on earth does that mean? perhaps you believe the failed centrally state-controlled economies of the Soviet Union are preferable to a market driven economy. to an extent he is right. Giving government help to people on inadequate wages was aimed at getting/keeping people in work as being cheaper than having them unemployed. The unforseen (well by politicians anyway) side effect is to allow businesses to continue making a profit when paying an extremely low wage .... one that on it's own is totally inadequate for someone to live on. In effect it is a subsidy for business.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 22, 2019 8:06:07 GMT
People should be earning a decent wage, one in which they shouldn't be dependent on extra handouts. I believe everybody should be entitled to a good basic standard of living. Housing, medical services, the chance to study, the chance to work and earn more, nurseries for their kids, etc. Capitalism is what makes the world go round, but there's no need for it to be unduly harsh - as in Canada and in USA. By the way, why is Larkboy 'following' me? He has made several snide comments about me recently. Is he reading everything I post? It's a bit creepy. Indeed. There are different ways to achieve your utopia. A country could put the government at the heart of everything, regulating, to ensure the aims are met. This could work within a fairly 'closed' business environment. As soon as things open up though (globalism, freedom of movement etc.) it fails. Wages can't be set at high rates by the all controlling government because to do so would make the country in question uncompetitive (globalism, remember?). The government could then step in and pay a proportion of the worker's wages (Gordon Brown, remember?) so products and services can remain competitive. But then more taxes are needed to pay for this wage subsidy but governments can't be elected if they enact this. So, to keep the tax payers onside and prevent them paying lower taxes elsewhere (globalism, freedom of movement) they keep taxes low. This leads to committing people not even born to debts, in order that this uneasy situation may continue. And of course there's no money for state of the art infrastructure payments. Other models are available, Britain is blind to them, that enable the citizens of countries to prosper.
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Post by Jim on Aug 22, 2019 11:44:45 GMT
"Cripes! Aliens!" Ok. Ross for PM. We need someone who listens and doesn’t talk shit. doesn't copy n paste shit not count then?
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Post by Jim on Aug 22, 2019 12:01:59 GMT
In the debate re benefits, what's missing is what is actually going on, benefits to support those in work would be unnecessary if decent wages were paid. Until then it's really a subsidy to boost tesco etc profits, salaries and bonuses for the higher echelons of management. Top management salaries should be capped at 20 x the lowest paid staff. Anything above that is sheer greed. I've never really worked to support a greedy grasper living off my back, being either self employed or working for a charity. I'd hate to be a bus driver supporting a boss and all his family.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Aug 22, 2019 12:31:55 GMT
In the debate re benefits, what's missing is what is actually going on, benefits to support those in work would be unnecessary if decent wages were paid. Until then it's really a subsidy to boost tesco etc profits, salaries and bonuses for the higher echelons of management. Top management salaries should be capped at 20 x the lowest paid staff. Anything above that is sheer greed. I've never really worked to support a greedy grasper living off my back, being either self employed or working for a charity. I'd hate to be a bus driver supporting a boss and all his family. Yep. Problem is decent wages will never be paid while things such as globalism and freedom of movement are king.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 22, 2019 12:51:20 GMT
Well the government have a habit of wasting money, we could have world class infrastructure.
Millennium dome £700 million, given to a private business who makes millions on it.
Wembley, £170 million, fa thinking of selling.
Manchester and Olympic statdiums. How many more white elephants are there that could easily pay for something good.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 22, 2019 12:52:08 GMT
Oh and the biggest challenge to infrastructure are the NIMBYS
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 22, 2019 13:39:05 GMT
I'd hate to be a bus driver supporting a boss and all his family. My boss is a she, you sexist. I don't know anything about her family, and I see her once a year at the Christmas Party. I suspect, all in all, this bus company scrapes by, as do all the others - there can't be much 'profit' in it at all - all heavily subsidised by the State. It's more of a way of life than a business. The company boss is 3 hours' drive away - our local boss (also a she) is 25 miles away. There are plusses and minuses to this job I do. It is a peculiar task. A big responsibility. I get to see the countryside and nice sunrises and sunsets. Work on my own, no boss breathing down my neck. Warm, dry workplace in Winter. 14 weeks off each year so we can go boating. Quiet roads. Railway station in Kannus, so we can always nip down to Helsinki by train. Big town (Kokkola) only 40 minutes' drive. No paperwork of the sort if I were running my own company. The Tax Office and wages clerk sort out my salary and tax.
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Post by Jim on Aug 22, 2019 14:04:49 GMT
I'd hate to be a bus driver supporting a boss and all his family. My boss is a she, you sexist. I don't know anything about her family, and I see her once a year at the Christmas Party. I suspect, all in all, this bus company scrapes by, as do all the others - there can't be much 'profit' in it at all - all heavily subsidised by the State. It's more of a way of life than a business. The company boss is 3 hours' drive away - our local boss (also a she) is 25 miles away. There are plusses and minuses to this job I do. It is a peculiar task. A big responsibility. I get to see the countryside and nice sunrises and sunsets. Work on my own, no boss breathing down my neck. Warm, dry workplace in Winter. 14 weeks off each year so we can go boating. Quiet roads. Railway station in Kannus, so we can always nip down to Helsinki by train. Big town (Kokkola) only 40 minutes' drive. No paperwork of the sort if I were running my own company. The Tax Office and wages clerk sort out my salary and tax. So, despite what you post here from the dully fail about migrants and spendthrift cadgers feeding off the state, it turns out you are a migrant being paid for by the state. Now where did I leave them mooring pins... Ah... In the fire, that's handy!
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 22, 2019 14:12:16 GMT
You missed the bit where I actually get out of bed at 0520 to go to WORK, Jim. Home at 1630 (sometimes 1730). It's not a bad job but there have been many years to arrive here, and the bus don't drive itself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 15:00:45 GMT
No doubt other areas of countryside are also being despoiled as we speak. I disagree that the countryside will be despoiled. It will be enhanced. A train whizzing along at 250mph is far more interesting to look at than some trees and hedgehogs and shit. But there won't BE any trains at 250mph or even shunting ... if HS2 is abandoned ... and neither will there be 'trees, hedgehogs and shit' because the land will have been despoiled. I know it's difficult to concentrate when you're chewing a Yorkie Rog
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Post by bodger on Aug 22, 2019 16:17:07 GMT
So, despite what you post here from the dully fail about migrants and spendthrift cadgers feeding off the state, it turns out you are a migrant being paid for by the state. Now where did I leave them mooring pins... Ah... In the fire, that's handy! what? ..................... not a wooden stake!
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Post by Jim on Aug 22, 2019 17:54:34 GMT
So, despite what you post here from the dully fail about migrants and spendthrift cadgers feeding off the state, it turns out you are a migrant being paid for by the state. Now where did I leave them mooring pins... Ah... In the fire, that's handy! what? ..................... not a wooden stake! That's not the Thunderboat way!
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