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Post by thebfg on Sept 5, 2019 21:21:06 GMT
Dear Jim, Do you have anything meaningful and positive to say about the labour party, or the benefits of staying in the EU? If so, I'd like to hear them, I'm open minded, honest! Your constant repetition of the same few negative slogans based on made up facts from both sides does you no favours, it just looks like you can't think of anything, or you are suffering from dementia - 350M per week for the NHS, and that university graduates a) Are more intelligent and politically astute than non-grads and b) The majority of them voted to stay in the EU. On a) You might find it's STUDENTS not graduates. I can believe it likely to poll some students while they were at Uni, but a meaningful poll of graduates would be impossible. They are NOT people with degrees, they are people who'd like one, at a time of life when they are at their most radical and politically unrealistic. On b) Some students want to stay in the EU? Please explain the significance of this. You've had 3 years to think of something positive to say about the EU or the labour party, who incidentally are led by a life long Eurosceptic so please let's hear it. Please take off your clown costume for a moment and don't try stapling Brexit, Boris, racism etc to me in order to avoid the above, I didn't vote - I'm more of an observer, but I honestly haven't heard of anything being pushed as "why it's good to be in the EU now and into the future", just endless negativity and rudeness about leaving and anyone who wants to leave. Now's your chance, you must have heard or read something? Thanks. He can't back up lies, Otherwise we all know he would have by now.
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Post by JohnV on Sept 6, 2019 6:09:30 GMT
Dear Jim, Do you have anything meaningful and positive to say about the labour party, or the benefits of staying in the EU? If so, I'd like to hear them, I'm open minded, honest! Your constant repetition of the same few negative slogans based on made up facts from both sides does you no favours, it just looks like you can't think of anything, or you are suffering from dementia - 350M per week for the NHS, and that university graduates a) Are more intelligent and politically astute than non-grads and b) The majority of them voted to stay in the EU. On a) You might find it's STUDENTS not graduates. I can believe it likely to poll some students while they were at Uni, but a meaningful poll of graduates would be impossible. They are NOT people with degrees, they are people who'd like one, at a time of life when they are at their most radical and politically unrealistic. On b) Some students want to stay in the EU? Please explain the significance of this. You've had 3 years to think of something positive to say about the EU or the labour party, who incidentally are led by a life long Eurosceptic so please let's hear it. Please take off your clown costume for a moment and don't try stapling Brexit, Boris, racism etc to me in order to avoid the above, I didn't vote - I'm more of an observer, but I honestly haven't heard of anything being pushed as "why it's good to be in the EU now and into the future", just endless negativity and rudeness about leaving and anyone who wants to leave. Now's your chance, you must have heard or read something? Thanks. He can't back up lies, Otherwise we all know he would have by now. It's strange, as someone who believes we should leave I have posted at least twice, talks by Yanis Varoufakis (a remainer but from the outside) therefore someone who has the opposite view point from me. He has no rose tinted view of the faults and dangers of the EU he just believes it can be changed from within. He has personal experience of the EU Commissions methods and unlike almost everyone else can and does talk authoritatively about it. His talks clearly show the major flaws that are at the heart of the EU system and the attitudes of those who control. I have yet to hear anyone give a glowing testimonial to the EU ...... It seems to me that all those extolling it don't actually give any truthful answers to the question "How does the EU benefit the average citizen of the UK as opposed to improving the wealth of big internationals and providing a cushy retirement for politicians" Sensible voices on the leave side are also often sidelined by the "shouters" who are looking for a quick route up the political greasy pole. It's Ironic that the best argument for leaving is from a remainer with brains
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 6, 2019 6:56:32 GMT
Cue Ricco calling Corbyn a Marxist... While I do think Kamarad Corbyn is an apt title for the bloke the real danger lies elsewhere within the party leadership. Not Abbott, she's ridiculed in many quarters, doesn't have the presence to do much other than constantly shout down opposition plans and policies, using her battered form of logic. McDonnell is the real danger within the party. Plausible and charismatic, he comes across as fairly genuine (compared to many in politics, at least.) OK, Corbyn is the figurehead of the Marxist drive in Britain, he's half decent behind a megaphone and will come across to many as being a genuine bloke. McDonnell though, he's the brains behind Marxist Labour. Worryingly, there's something about him, my sixth sense tells me evil lurks within him, let's hope he never gets into a position where that evil could come into play.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 6, 2019 7:18:16 GMT
I'd like to know what his salary is, first.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 6, 2019 7:20:15 GMT
Oh dear. A Tax Dodger. Knew it!
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Post by thebfg on Sept 6, 2019 8:15:11 GMT
Yet jezzer is too scared to go to a GE against them. Not at all, it's strategic. Let Boris fail with his promise to be out by the 31st. That aside, as you will agree, Boris and his puppet master aren't to be trusted, so at the very least, the No Deal law must be on the statute book, having got Royal Assent, before any election is voted for. Remind me why "the government" couldn't get the last attempt through, with all their mates backing it? That had nowt to do with Jezza. But its simple. Let the country decide. At a GE if we want to delay brexit and go for a remainers type delay or even just cancel it. The country will vote in Jezza to no. 10. If we want out on 31st then Boris will be voted for. And some people will vote brexit party etc giving labour a bigger chance. So this is his chance to get in. Why is he scared? His tactical plan will backfire if we do leave on the 31st
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 9:10:22 GMT
Not at all, it's strategic. Let Boris fail with his promise to be out by the 31st. That aside, as you will agree, Boris and his puppet master aren't to be trusted, so at the very least, the No Deal law must be on the statute book, having got Royal Assent, before any election is voted for. Remind me why "the government" couldn't get the last attempt through, with all their mates backing it? That had nowt to do with Jezza. But its simple. Let the country decide. At a GE if we want to delay brexit and go for a remainers type delay or even just cancel it. The country will vote in Jezza to no. 10. If we want out on 31st then Boris will be voted for. And some people will vote brexit party etc giving labour a bigger chance. So this is his chance to get in. Why is he scared? His tactical plan will backfire if we do leave on the 31st He isn't scared just being prudent.
If Boris de piffle calls an election for the 15th Oct once he has the support of parliament to do so, there is nothing to stop Boris changing the date to after Halloween. And one thing we do know about our current very minority government is that they are happy to use whatever tactics are open to them.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 6, 2019 9:32:00 GMT
But its simple. Let the country decide. At a GE if we want to delay brexit and go for a remainers type delay or even just cancel it. The country will vote in Jezza to no. 10. If we want out on 31st then Boris will be voted for. And some people will vote brexit party etc giving labour a bigger chance. So this is his chance to get in. Why is he scared? His tactical plan will backfire if we do leave on the 31st He isn't scared just being prudent.
If Boris de piffle calls an election for the 15th Oct once he has the support of parliament to do so, there is nothing to stop Boris changing the date to after Halloween. And one thing we do know about our current very minority government is that they are happy to use whatever tactics are open to them.
All we hear from labour supporters is all about how rubbish the lieing usless Tories are and that there in such a mess. Yet aren't prepared to do anything about it. Even if it was afterwards, they would be in power. Is that not what they want then?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 9:42:03 GMT
He isn't scared just being prudent.
If Boris de piffle calls an election for the 15th Oct once he has the support of parliament to do so, there is nothing to stop Boris changing the date to after Halloween. And one thing we do know about our current very minority government is that they are happy to use whatever tactics are open to them.
All we hear from labour supporters is all about how rubbish the lieing usless Tories are and that there in such a mess. Yet aren't prepared to do anything about it. Even if it was afterwards, they would be in power. Is that not what they want then? By afterwards I take it you mean after Halloween. If so that could mean we have left the EU without an agreement and that isn't what the Labour party want. Be patient the election will come once the extension to the deadline has been agreed.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 6, 2019 11:45:47 GMT
All we hear from labour supporters is all about how rubbish the lieing usless Tories are and that there in such a mess. Yet aren't prepared to do anything about it. Even if it was afterwards, they would be in power. Is that not what they want then? By If so that could mean we have left the EU without an agreement and that isn't what the Labour party want. Or stay in you mean, they really do not work for the best wishes of their constituents.
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Post by peterboat on Sept 6, 2019 11:53:37 GMT
By If so that could mean we have left the EU without an agreement and that isn't what the Labour party want. Or stay in you mean, they really do not work for the best wishes of their constituents. Lets be honest they know they cant win which is why they dont want a GE, If the brexit party stands in the north and tories in the south they will have a majority as they were saying on QT last night
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Post by Jim on Sept 6, 2019 12:30:46 GMT
Dear Jim, Do you have anything meaningful and positive to say about the labour party, or the benefits of staying in the EU? If so, I'd like to hear them, I'm open minded, honest! Your constant repetition of the same few negative slogans based on made up facts from both sides does you no favours, it just looks like you can't think of anything, or you are suffering from dementia - 350M per week for the NHS, and that university graduates a) Are more intelligent and politically astute than non-grads and b) The majority of them voted to stay in the EU. On a) You might find it's STUDENTS not graduates. I can believe it likely to poll some students while they were at Uni, but a meaningful poll of graduates would be impossible. They are NOT people with degrees, they are people who'd like one, at a time of life when they are at their most radical and politically unrealistic. On b) Some students want to stay in the EU? Please explain the significance of this. You've had 3 years to think of something positive to say about the EU or the labour party, who incidentally are led by a life long Eurosceptic so please let's hear it. Please take off your clown costume for a moment and don't try stapling Brexit, Boris, racism etc to me in order to avoid the above, I didn't vote - I'm more of an observer, but I honestly haven't heard of anything being pushed as "why it's good to be in the EU now and into the future", just endless negativity and rudeness about leaving and anyone who wants to leave. Now's your chance, you must have heard or read something? Thanks. I didn't mention students at all. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.htmlYou've not looked far for reasons to stay in the eu, here's a few... smallbusinessprices.co.uk/remain-eu/www.strongerin.co.uk/get_the_factsmetro.co.uk/2016/06/22/10-reasons-to-vote-remain-in-the-eu-referendum-5955501/www.theweek.co.uk/brexit-0
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Post by Jim on Sept 6, 2019 12:35:44 GMT
On my DCPC course today, the trainer mentioned that 52% of the agency's driver workforce are eastern European. At the warehouse I work out of, virtually 100% of the LLOP operators are eastern European. If the EU introduced an open door policy that allowed the cheap import of foreign labour, how can it not be of benefit to the working class to close that open door? The problem is that poor old Jim is one of those thick Northerners who would vote for a donkey if it had a red rosette pinned to its arse. How many brits applied for the jobs and were rejected? How many have you applied for and been rejected in favour of a migrant? If brits aren't applying why not?
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 6, 2019 12:40:28 GMT
Hereβs the main reason to leave Jimboππ»
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 15:28:05 GMT
On my DCPC course today, the trainer mentioned that 52% of the agency's driver workforce are eastern European. At the warehouse I work out of, virtually 100% of the LLOP operators are eastern European. If the EU introduced an open door policy that allowed the cheap import of foreign labour, how can it not be of benefit to the working class to close that open door? The problem is that poor old Jim is one of those thick Northerners who would vote for a donkey if it had a red rosette pinned to its arse. How many brits applied for the jobs and were rejected? How many have you applied for and been rejected in favour of a migrant? If brits aren't applying why not? No clue you mate, all of these polish workers will have gone through an agency, 12 weeks then gone full time, the agency they work for will be targeting polish people to come work for them, why, coz they know they will come in droves to earn minimum wage, half of that minimum wage will be sent home, or they will graft for a year or two then bugger off home again. This is the real world, not the fluffy one you and Corbyn live in.
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