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Post by Gone on Sept 19, 2019 17:56:01 GMT
Unpaid foreign visitor bills should be paid by the uk foreign aid budget and not the NHS budget, at least that way some good would come of the foreign aid.
uk aid to India is about £98M and India can afford a space program.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 19, 2019 18:09:52 GMT
I abhor socialism, the cloying state, all powerful in far too many aspects of people's lives, closing down their speech and often harmless actions, destroying the joy that life should be in favour or never ending regulation and conformity. I'm with you here, but I don't like unnecessary poverty and waste. And as soon as the government steps in to give people affordable council houses and a national health system, then some piss-takers come along to buy those houses for themselves (cheaply) and abuse the hospitals: Nigerian NHS Health Tourist ‘Priscilla’ This woman rocked up to Heathrow three years ago about to calve a sprog. She was treated by OUR NHS and racked up a bill of £500,000. They are still chasing this contemptible bastard; obviously the country will never see a penny. I understand the NHS is chasing £150m in unpaid medical bill run up by foreigners. I’m at some point going to need a hip replacement and I can guarantee I’ll have to wait ages. Simple solution for NHS. Plan A Pay in advance. Don’t want to do that? Plan B Deduct outstanding monies from NHS lackey that signed it off. The last thing we need are more anchor-babies with the inevitable permanent drag on housing, education, medical etc, all at our expense. Here’s an idea. Every one of these twats who turns up to rip off the NHS, of that sum 50% extra is deducted from their country’s aid budget. Cost us a million, we deduct 1.5 million. Should concentrate a few minds. The deductions should NOT go to the NHS as it would encourage stupid lefty activist doctors to carry on despite their actions denying Brits of all stripes, resources supposedly for us. I don't like poverty either. Socialism seems like a pretty decent solution to this, in theory. The problem is that to enact it requires governmental interference in people's lives that is beyond what the average human finds acceptable. It's inhuman to clobber people with ever increasing taxes, tell them what they can and cant say. On top of all this a country that chooses socialism, as the U.K. has, will find itself impoverished over time, overtaken by countries that don't have this system. There are exceptions of course, we could look at the likes of Norway and dare I say it Canada, very rich countries, with socialism. Unlike Britain these countries have vast natural resources and relatively few people to share the spoils amongst. Remember when Britain was one of the richest countries in the world? I do.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 19, 2019 18:17:16 GMT
uk aid to India is about £98M and India can afford a space program. And 'our Rog' has to wait how many months to have his knee sorted?
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 19, 2019 18:21:10 GMT
I'm with you here, but I don't like unnecessary poverty and waste. And as soon as the government steps in to give people affordable council houses and a national health system, then some piss-takers come along to buy those houses for themselves (cheaply) and abuse the hospitals: Nigerian NHS Health Tourist ‘Priscilla’ This woman rocked up to Heathrow three years ago about to calve a sprog. She was treated by OUR NHS and racked up a bill of £500,000. They are still chasing this contemptible bastard; obviously the country will never see a penny. I understand the NHS is chasing £150m in unpaid medical bill run up by foreigners. I’m at some point going to need a hip replacement and I can guarantee I’ll have to wait ages. Simple solution for NHS. Plan A Pay in advance. Don’t want to do that? Plan B Deduct outstanding monies from NHS lackey that signed it off. The last thing we need are more anchor-babies with the inevitable permanent drag on housing, education, medical etc, all at our expense. Here’s an idea. Every one of these twats who turns up to rip off the NHS, of that sum 50% extra is deducted from their country’s aid budget. Cost us a million, we deduct 1.5 million. Should concentrate a few minds. The deductions should NOT go to the NHS as it would encourage stupid lefty activist doctors to carry on despite their actions denying Brits of all stripes, resources supposedly for us. we could look at the likes of Norway and dare I say it Canada, very rich countries, with socialism Norway - socialist? Really? And you obviously haven't seen all of the homeless in the streets of Vancouver - I have - and it ain't pretty; so much for 'socialism' in Canada. Yes, the native indians get free university/college education, but that's only because of 'white guilt', the European descendants cringing a bit knowing they have stolen the lands from them (and are certainly not going to hand them back to the indians!!). Not that the land belonged to the indians in the first place, as all land ownership is theft as any anarchist know.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 19, 2019 18:25:46 GMT
Homelessness is common in socialist countries, Britain is a good example. Tick box systems are devised to establish whether you are 'worthy'. If not, you're left to rot. The countries in which significant proportions of their populations have escaped poverty over the past decade or two have systems that are quite the opposite of socialism.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 18:39:38 GMT
...but isn’t the whole point of having a democracy (and a vote) to check how things are with everyone? Well, what is best? Democracy is working well in the UK right now, isn't it? There is a big difference between having no democracy and democracy not being upheld. It’s surprising how many people fail to see this...especially ‘some’ remainers...
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 19, 2019 18:47:12 GMT
Well, what is best? Democracy is working well in the UK right now, isn't it? There is a big difference between having no democracy and democracy not being upheld. How so? Which do you prefer?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 19:13:47 GMT
There is a big difference between having no democracy and democracy not being upheld. How so? Which do you prefer? If you need to ask that then....
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 19, 2019 20:12:42 GMT
How so? Which do you prefer? If you need to ask that then.... Maybe you just didn't notice until the Brexit referendum fall out that we NEVER get what we vote for? It's nothing new, just par for the course, nothing is being suddenly lost - it never existed other than in your imagination of how democracy should work.
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Post by Trina on Sept 19, 2019 20:16:38 GMT
I was ten when England won the soccer World Cup in black and white ... saw it in colour at the pictures and it blew my mind Science fiction and Tomorrows World were set in the 2000's which were a distant foreign, unimaginable land back then. The only constant in life is that there WILL be changes. Rog I was 8 in 1966 & watched the World cup whilst staying with mum's family in North Shields.We had extra choccy cake to celebrate !😄
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 21:23:22 GMT
If you need to ask that then.... Maybe you just didn't notice until the Brexit referendum fall out that we NEVER get what we vote for? It's nothing new, just par for the course, nothing is being suddenly lost - it never existed other than in your imagination of how democracy should work. The point is that the vast majority of the population KNOW how democracy should work, it’s just that a small minority are using their power to undermine it and set us back 150 years It seems some people are happy to unwind a process where millions have put their lives on the line for democracy and ultimately our freedoms....it’s quite shameful really.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 20, 2019 4:10:23 GMT
Millions died during WW2 and yet now we are happy to let Germany run our railway system and otherwise tell us what to do in its guise as 'the EU'.
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Post by patty on Sept 20, 2019 5:12:48 GMT
What we probably could do is learn from the events of the past not keep recycling them.. All this talk does nowt..we needed a workable plan of action.... We cannot survive in Isolation..history should have taught us the benefits of treaties and co-operation with other countries..we need foreign investment(Yes Foxy even the Germans).... Whatever happens post Brexit is still a new chapter in a book yet to be written.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 6:49:00 GMT
What we probably could do is learn from the events of the past not keep recycling them.. All this talk does nowt..we needed a workable plan of action.... We cannot survive in Isolation..history should have taught us the benefits of treaties and co-operation with other countries..we need foreign investment(Yes Foxy even the Germans).... Whatever happens post Brexit is still a new chapter in a book yet to be written. For me it all comes down to the dangers of power/control being pushed too far away from the people. There are many examples throughout history, Hitler being one example. It’s a problem we will always have. We need strong leadership but we also need a mechanism to deal with things when it goes to their head. Democracy is not perfect (especially when it’s ignored by leaders and voters(!)), but it’s the best thing we have to keep our leaders in check peacefully. It’s also what prevented our country from a revolution 100-150 years ago. I’m not a particularly patriotic person, but I think our Queen has done a pretty good job over the last 67 years. I do wonder sometimes what she really thinks about our politicians!
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 20, 2019 7:19:29 GMT
Maybe you just didn't notice until the Brexit referendum fall out that we NEVER get what we vote for? It's nothing new, just par for the course, nothing is being suddenly lost - it never existed other than in your imagination of how democracy should work. The point is that the vast majority of the population KNOW how democracy should work, it’s just that a small minority are using their power to undermine it and set us back 150 years Yes, that's otherwise known as parliament. Nothing has changed apart from you taking off your rose tinted glasses.
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