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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 22:23:45 GMT
I thought the BBC was a bit of a left wing thing.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 20, 2019 22:50:08 GMT
I think the BBC would like to be impartial, and tries to be. Unfortunately the vast majority of its employees are what we might describe as metropolitan socialist liberal types. It's quite difficult, when you have a bias, to pretend to be impartial. We can see this from the regular frequency of BBC staff using terms such as 'crashing out' and 'cliff edge'. These terms are not ones of impartiality.
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Post by Gone on Sept 20, 2019 22:54:44 GMT
Didn't the BBC repeatedly state that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? No, they repeatedly said that Tony Blair stated it. Which he did. If one is to be held responsible for accurately reporting what someone said, when that turned out to be untrue, one couldn’t report anything. Especially anything a politician said. But they did not question or challenge the claims. Same as their interview with Nigel Lawson who denied climate change and said global temps were not rising which the bbc allowed without challenge, and later had to apologise for, as it is not true.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 21, 2019 6:33:03 GMT
When it is Capita's goons come round to check if you have a licence, you just know what kind of corrupt outfit the BBC is. These lackeys have no powers to enter your house so just tell 'em to fuck off.
Finland's YLE is the same, with them actually taking their cut out of your income whether you like it or not. Institutionalised legal mafia.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 21, 2019 6:53:13 GMT
There's lots of diversity within the BBC. White faces, black faces, brown faces. Even people with a dicky arm. Gives the impression of having great diversity eh? But diversity is about thoughts, opinions and actions rather than just appearances, I'd suggest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 8:00:41 GMT
I think it is a bit of a stretch to say the BBC continues to be the mouthpiece of the government, a role it clearly played during the Second World War for example, but is certainly less adept than it used to be in concealing its sometimes quite Orwell-esque bias. This has shifted quite dramatically from conservative to socialist since the 1950s. This is partially due to the declining standards of written English apparent in its day-to-day reportage. If the vocabulary is lacking, then the horizon of any attempted rhetoric is naturally limited, to say nothing of broken grammar. However my opinion is that the political bias prevalent in the beeb is best revealed in what it chooses not to report. uk.reuters.comI'm not saying this organisation is immune to bias. But it at least provides a contrast to the British or American variety.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 21, 2019 8:07:03 GMT
But the bottom line is that the BBC is the propaganda arm of the UK government just as Voice of Russia is the propaganda arm of the Russian government. To suggest that it is a neutral and unbiased news reporting agency is simply nonsense. To suggest that the BBC is the propaganda arm of the U.K. government demonstrates either breathtaking ignorance or a penchant for conspiracy theories. Have you been to Area 51 recently to see the aliens? It is a measure of the Government's success with its propaganda arm that some folk can be persuaded to see the BBC as impartial. As just one example of how it isn't, radio broadcasts during WW2 would exaggerate British successes and downplay German successes, with the aim of raising morale at home and damaging morale in Germany. This is not impartial broadcasting, where equal weight would be given to successes on both sides.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 21, 2019 8:15:42 GMT
To suggest that the BBC is the propaganda arm of the U.K. government demonstrates either breathtaking ignorance or a penchant for conspiracy theories. Have you been to Area 51 recently to see the aliens? It is a measure of the Government's success with its propaganda arm that some folk can be persuaded to see the BBC as impartial. As just one example of how it isn't, radio broadcasts during WW2 would exaggerate British successes and downplay German successes, with the aim of raising morale at home and damaging morale in Germany. This is not impartial broadcasting, where equal weight would be given to successes on both sides. Have you stopped taking your pills? As you say, during WW2 the Beeb did exaggerate successes etc but this was not propaganda for the government, it was propaganda for the country aimed at making victory over the enemy more likely. And in any case, maybe you haven’t noticed but WW2 was over some time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 9:38:36 GMT
When it is Capita's goons come round to check if you have a licence, you just know what kind of corrupt outfit the BBC is. These lackeys have no powers to enter your house so just tell 'em to fuck off. Finland's YLE is the same, with them actually taking their cut out of your income whether you like it or not. Institutionalised legal mafia. The TV licensing thing is really silly. I don't have a TV and never use live streaming. They write me more and more threatening letters the last one had a red envelope ! Scary apparently they are going to come round and get into my boat with a ram then imprison me in solitary on an island for 14 years !! I don't have a telly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 9:40:21 GMT
It is a measure of the Government's success with its propaganda arm that some folk can be persuaded to see the BBC as impartial. As just one example of how it isn't, radio broadcasts during WW2 would exaggerate British successes and downplay German successes, with the aim of raising morale at home and damaging morale in Germany. This is not impartial broadcasting, where equal weight would be given to successes on both sides. Have you stopped taking your pills? As you say, during WW2 the Beeb did exaggerate successes etc but this was not propaganda for the government, it was propaganda for the country aimed at making victory over the enemy more likely. And in any case, maybe you haven’t noticed but WW2 was over some time ago. Nothing has changed. They are still using propaganda to make victory over the enemy...the British public that is...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 9:41:57 GMT
When it is Capita's goons come round to check if you have a licence, you just know what kind of corrupt outfit the BBC is. These lackeys have no powers to enter your house so just tell 'em to fuck off. Finland's YLE is the same, with them actually taking their cut out of your income whether you like it or not. Institutionalised legal mafia. The TV licensing thing is really silly. I don't have a TV and never use live streaming. They write me more and more threatening letters the last one had a red envelope ! Scary apparently they are going to come round and get into my boat with a ram then imprison me in solitary on an island for 14 years !! I don't have a telly. You’ve given me another idea for a poll...
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 21, 2019 9:50:02 GMT
It is a measure of the Government's success with its propaganda arm that some folk can be persuaded to see the BBC as impartial. As just one example of how it isn't, radio broadcasts during WW2 would exaggerate British successes and downplay German successes, with the aim of raising morale at home and damaging morale in Germany. This is not impartial broadcasting, where equal weight would be given to successes on both sides. As you say, during WW2 the Beeb did exaggerate successes etc but this was not propaganda for the government, it was propaganda for the country aimed at making victory over the enemy more likely. I would agree that in the circumstances such conduct was understandable, desirable even, but what it cannot be described as is "impartial reporting". Propaganda does not even necessarily involve what is reported, omission is a large part of propaganda.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 9:52:15 GMT
There was a government petition which reached 100,000 so it got a response from government. The conclusion was that it’s OFCOM’s problem, nothing to do with government. “The BBC is independent of government and regulated by Ofcom” petition.parliament.uk/petitions/234797Shall I start a poll to see how effective you think OFCOM are at dealing with complaints? Same with all these types of bodies, they are like a black hole.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 9:57:19 GMT
As you say, during WW2 the Beeb did exaggerate successes etc but this was not propaganda for the government, it was propaganda for the country aimed at making victory over the enemy more likely. I would agree that in the circumstances such conduct was understandable, desirable even, but what it cannot be described as is "impartial reporting". Propaganda does not even necessarily involve what is reported, omission is a large part of propaganda. If everyone at the time had access to the truth about what was really behind the start of WW2 I wonder whether it would have progressed the way it did? We have access to so much more information and data nowadays, no wonder it’s being desensitised by ‘fake news’.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 21, 2019 10:05:45 GMT
When it is Capita's goons come round to check if you have a licence, you just know what kind of corrupt outfit the BBC is. These lackeys have no powers to enter your house so just tell 'em to fuck off. Finland's YLE is the same, with them actually taking their cut out of your income whether you like it or not. Institutionalised legal mafia. The TV licensing thing is really silly. I don't have a TV and never use live streaming. They write me more and more threatening letters the last one had a red envelope ! Scary apparently they are going to come round and get into my boat with a ram then imprison me in solitary on an island for 14 years !! I don't have a telly. Yes we have the same thing at the gliding club. Threatening letters telling us we “have a case opened against us” etc. This has been going on for years. I’m not the guy in charge of the clubhouse but if I were I might just write back telling them we don’t have a Tv so they stopped bothering us. But the clubhouse manager is from Glasgow and hence would be delighted if they came round, just so he could heedbut them! Unfortunately after 19 years, they still haven’t been round!
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