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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 24, 2019 7:52:58 GMT
Just the fact that she is from a wealthy family and presumably shares in the fruits of that wealth indicates that her own carbon footprint is likely to be far larger than the average Joe.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 24, 2019 7:59:09 GMT
She didnt even need to go. She could have delivered her 'ticking off of world leaders' via. video conference. All kids want to go to New York. It's cool. And now all her schoolfriends will be jealous. Greta's got one up on 'em.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 24, 2019 8:03:07 GMT
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 24, 2019 8:30:03 GMT
Just the fact that she is from a wealthy family and presumably shares in the fruits of that wealth indicates that her own carbon footprint is likely to be far larger than the average Joe. That's the conundrum exploited by the Greta haters isn't it? Taken to the extreme we should only listen to those living under a hedge dressed in weaved yoghurt with no means of communication.
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Post by kris on Sept 24, 2019 8:30:52 GMT
... but is she basically right? Edit: Cross posted with bodher There is no doubt that climate change happens and is happening. What is open to debate and discussion is the extent to which man is influencing it versus it being a natural phenomenon. She and her acolytes wont accept that. I dont think alot of pacific islanders would say its open to debate.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 24, 2019 8:53:58 GMT
Anyway my hope for the future is fusion power - ie what powers the sun. This seems to have gone pretty quiet recently but there is an ongoing international project called ITER in Southern France, which is building what should be a “net gain” (ie puts out more energy than is needed to run it) Tokamak reactor. Obviously this is a big budget project, but set against the money spent internationally on fossil fuel development and their usage, renewable energy and other “green” stuff, it is a tiny drop in the ocean.
Ultimately by E=MC^2 the universe is made of a massive amount energy and of course this is what currently fuels it (fusion) so if we could get a tiny iota of that, all our energy and carbon worries would be a thing of the past. We could have fusion plants running carbon dioxide extraction systems to get the CO2 levels back to where we want them.
But for whatever reason, this hasn’t captured the public interest at all. I suppose most people don’t understand the fundamental differences between fission and fusion and how the latter has virtually none of the down-sides of the former.
Net-gain fusion power is very difficult. But not impossible. If as much effort went in to perfecting it as goes into lots of other rubbish such as putting a man on mars, tourists in space etc, I think it could come to fruition fairly quickly. But nobody seems that interested - not sexy enough I guess.
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Post by kris on Sept 24, 2019 9:08:38 GMT
Anyway my hope for the future is fusion power - ie what powers the sun. This seems to have gone pretty quiet recently but there is an ongoing international project called ITER in Southern France, which is building what should be a “net gain” (ie puts out more energy than is needed to run it) Tokamak reactor. Obviously this is a big budget project, but set against the money spent internationally on fossil fuel development and their usage, renewable energy and other “green” stuff, it is a tiny drop in the ocean. Ultimately by E=MC^2 the universe is made of a massive amount energy and of course this is what currently fuels it (fusion) so if we could get a tiny iota of that, all our energy and carbon worries would be a thing of the past. We could have fusion plants running carbon dioxide extraction systems to get the CO2 levels back to where we want them. But for whatever reason, this hasn’t captured the public interest at all. I suppose most people don’t understand the fundamental differences between fission and fusion and how the latter has virtually none of the down-sides of the former. Net-gain fusion power is very difficult. But not impossible. If as much effort went in to perfecting it as goes into lots of other rubbish such as putting a man on mars, tourists in space etc, I think it could come to fruition fairly quickly. But nobody seems that interested - not sexy enough I guess. Its one of those technologies that has always been just around the corner, a bt like cheap efficient battery technology.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 24, 2019 9:11:21 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly with her when she says that the planet can't sustain ever continuing economic growth. This should be obvious really, even those super duper electric cars have a lot of plastic in them. Plastic equals oil, oil is either running out or damaging when it's converted into plastic, or both.
Despite this, I just can't take her seriously.
Maybe because she looks like a mong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 9:44:48 GMT
Clinton CoolThat's out of order. Electric cars are going to save humans from a fate worse than pestilence. I agree on other points.
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Post by kris on Sept 24, 2019 9:56:16 GMT
Clinton Cool That's out of order. Electric cars are going to save humans from a fate worse than pestilence. I agree on other points. Is that right? I thought the idea of electric cars was to keep the profits rolling in for certain multi national companies. I think one thing she has got right, is that the idea of ever expanding economic growth is a fairy tale.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 10:09:11 GMT
Anyway my hope for the future is fusion power - ie what powers the sun. This seems to have gone pretty quiet recently but there is an ongoing international project called ITER in Southern France, which is building what should be a “net gain” (ie puts out more energy than is needed to run it) Tokamak reactor. Obviously this is a big budget project, but set against the money spent internationally on fossil fuel development and their usage, renewable energy and other “green” stuff, it is a tiny drop in the ocean. Ultimately by E=MC^2 the universe is made of a massive amount energy and of course this is what currently fuels it (fusion) so if we could get a tiny iota of that, all our energy and carbon worries would be a thing of the past. We could have fusion plants running carbon dioxide extraction systems to get the CO2 levels back to where we want them. But for whatever reason, this hasn’t captured the public interest at all. I suppose most people don’t understand the fundamental differences between fission and fusion and how the latter has virtually none of the down-sides of the former. Net-gain fusion power is very difficult. But not impossible. If as much effort went in to perfecting it as goes into lots of other rubbish such as putting a man on mars, tourists in space etc, I think it could come to fruition fairly quickly. But nobody seems that interested - not sexy enough I guess. Just watched Greta’s speech. TBH, whether someone wrote it for her or not, the words are pretty much bang on. I think the older generations have a lot to answer for but the elephant in the room again is overpopulation (greed being not far behind). You can find other ways of generating energy as much as you like, but it’s no good if there isn’t enough food and shelter for everyone. The irony is that the solution is not to have so many kids. When you think about it, if something was put in our water to prevent conception for about 40 years, the population issue would be solved quite quickly. Of course this would be an unacceptable solution on moral grounds. So I guess nature will have to do it for us, unless stress manipulation does it first.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 10:12:49 GMT
Clinton Cool That's out of order. Electric cars are going to save humans from a fate worse than pestilence. I agree on other points. Is that right? I thought the idea of electric cars was to keep the profits rolling in for certain multi national companies. I think one thing she has got right, is that the idea of ever expanding economic growth is a fairy tale. Fast Electric cars are for rich people who already have big gas guzzlers but want an additional vehicle to be trendy + look green. Lithium batteries are definitely not the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 10:16:41 GMT
So I guess nature will have to do it for us, unless stress manipulation does it first. Make youngsters so depressed about the collapsing ecosystems around them that they choose not to have babies? That might work for some of the more intelligent ones but meanwhile all the thickos are at it like steam hammers and breeding like rabbits. Oh dear !
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 24, 2019 10:22:47 GMT
As for electric cars: There's more dirty energy used in the life cycle of any car than is expelled from its exhaust pipe, if it has one. Ore possibly mined in Australia, then shipped (Dirty) to China. Steel made from the ore (dirty) then shipped (dirty) to various steel stockholders across the world. Steel shipped (dirty) or road hauled (dirty) to various component manufacturers across the world. Components shipped (dirty) or road hauled (dirty) to assembly plants across the world. Completed cars shipped (dirty) or road hauled (dirty) to car showrooms across the world.
Hapless customer then buys brand new electric car, smug with the thought that he or she is saving the world but they are so stupid, the best thing for the world would be for them to keep their existing car running, regardless of how it's propelled.
World economic activity is due to triple by 2050, when we're due to be 'carbon free'. 3 times as many cars on the road, each more damaging than the ones already manufactured because most of the damage comes from manufacture, not use. Doesn't look great, does it.
Of course, much of this damage could be avoided if production cycles were more local, rather than global. That's no good though, racist innit.
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Post by kris on Sept 24, 2019 10:23:14 GMT
So I guess nature will have to do it for us, unless stress manipulation does it first. Make youngsters so depressed about the collapsing ecosystems around them that they choose not to have babies? That might work for some of the more intelligent ones but meanwhile all the thickos are at it like steam hammers and breeding like rabbits. Oh dear ! Now remind us of how many kids you said you wanted?
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