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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 21:02:04 GMT
Saying you don't like scrummaging or kicking in rugby, is like saying you don't like sword play in fencing.
The scrum is the ultimate team test of strength and tactics.
Kicking for territory and dealing with that tactic from the opposition is the measure of a quality team, look at NZ.
I am happy England and Wales chances of reaching the final are being dismissed by most pundits.
Personally part of the joy of sport is the unfolding drama and unpredictability.
I'll try not to gloat too much if England v Wales is the final.
Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 21, 2019 22:10:35 GMT
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 22, 2019 7:19:23 GMT
Saying you don't like scrummaging or kicking in rugby, is like saying you don't like sword play in fencing. The scrum is the ultimate team test of strength and tactics. Kicking for territory and dealing with that tactic from the opposition is the measure of a quality team, look at NZ. I am happy England and Wales chances of reaching the final are being dismissed by most pundits. Personally part of the joy of sport is the unfolding drama and unpredictability. I'll try not to gloat too much if England v Wales is the final. Rog What I'm saying is that if there's an element of rugby that's exciting to watch it's fast running moves, maybe a rolling maul, another fast running move etc. etc. It's been worked out that you can't win rugby matches playing this way more than occasionally, better to major on gaining territory by hoofing it as far as possible. By doing this teams can attempt to engineer penalties within range of the posts and pick up many of their points with penalty kicks, without the 'dangers' of open, exciting running rugby. I agree that much of the joy of sport is the unfolding drama and unpredictability. Unfortunately for rugby this rarely exists, the most efficient team winning nearly all of the matches. You could say that Japan caused a shock or two during this tournament but it's common for a tournament host to punch above their weight, in many sports. Japan did it during their football tournament as well. Otherwise, most of the results in this tournament have been utterly predictable, as are the resulting semi finalists. New Zealand will more than likely lift the cup again, utterly predictable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 7:52:58 GMT
You don't like rugby ... you keep saying ...I'm happy for you.
Are you seriously trying to persuade me why I'm in error for having a life time love for the game ?
Why not start a thread about plastic boats and paddles ?
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:04:40 GMT
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Post by ianali on Oct 22, 2019 8:18:15 GMT
Exactly this. He doesn’t get it. It’s the same with anything isn’t it? I have friends who tell me that boating is slow and boring. They aren’t being nasty, their not thick, they just don’t get it. Be a sad world if we ever come to all like the same things.
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Post by lollygagger on Oct 22, 2019 8:33:57 GMT
Ricco, please name a sport where the best team doesn't usually win. I'd say it's pointless trying to get good at a sport where luck is the deciding factor and that sport would simply die out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:44:30 GMT
... where luck is the deciding factor and that sport would simply die out. What like gambling has died out...
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 22, 2019 9:40:48 GMT
Ricco, please name a sport where the best team doesn't usually win. I'd say it's pointless trying to get good at a sport where luck is the deciding factor and that sport would simply die ou Football has become more predictable as time has passed, mostly because of an imbalance of wealth between the various clubs. Still, who would have thought that Norwich and Wolves would beat my Manchester City? There was a little luck involved but that wasn't the deciding factor. The Norwich and Wolves players each played to the peak of their potential whereas the City players were just slightly below par. All that's needed is this and perhaps a moment or two of individual brilliance and an inferior team can beat a much superior one. This is virtually non existent in modern rugby where science and process render individual brilliance as null and void, in terms of a lesser team having a chance against a superior one. I used to watch rugby back in the 70's. I remember the likes of Gareth Edwards, JPR Williams etc. playing for Wales and the Barbarians. There was kicking for touch or just territory back then but it wasn't the mainstay of the game that it is today. Today's game comes across as a game of science between 2 sets of immensely fit individuals, all risk averse. I can understand those who enjoy the subtlelties of the scientific battle but wouldn't they prefer to watch open, exciting sometimes risky play, where the players can regularly show off their undoubted talents, rather than being bottled within a system that disallows risk?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:12:54 GMT
Again ... I don't understand your thought processes in coming to a rugby thread to rubbish it ... however ... did you see England v Australia at the weekend ? Australia stuck to their guns, and attempted to run the ball from their own try line EVERY time. The 'risky' free flowing rugby style became predictable as they never varied. This allowed England to constantly pin them back by brilliant defence of the gain line, and to seize scoring chances when they presented themselves. By the way @gazza ... Saints season holds some real promise finally, after their away win against Sarries ... underdogs coming through again Rog
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:15:37 GMT
... where luck is the deciding factor and that sport would simply die out. What like gambling has died out... Whilst appreciating your attempt at humour ... lollygagger 's point is valid ... gambling isn't a sport. Rog
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Post by thebfg on Oct 22, 2019 10:18:26 GMT
... where luck is the deciding factor and that sport would simply die out. What like gambling has died out... But does anyone watch any gambling as sport? I quite like watching poker but even though that is a game of luck only the skilled players will win the big titles, luck will only win the odd hand.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:21:41 GMT
Again ... I don't understand your thought processes in coming to a rugby thread to rubbish it ... however ... did you see England v Australia at the weekend ? Australia stuck to their guns, and attempted to run the ball from their own try line EVERY time. The 'risky' free flowing rugby style became predictable as they never varied. This allowed England to constantly pin them back by brilliant defence of the gain line, and to seize scoring chances when they presented themselves. By the way @gazza ... Saints season holds some real promise finally, after their away win against Sarries ... underdogs coming through again Rog Fingers crossed! 5 1/2 years on and those clips still make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up😜👍👌🏉
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:28:06 GMT
I felt quite disappointed for the Italian players, who had their opportunity to reach a quarter final taken from them by the cancellation of their game against NZ. Form would suggest that NZ would almost certainly have won ... but at this RWC in particular, with the outlawing of any head contact, who's to say whether NZ would get a red card or several yellows ... games can be unpredictable. I'm hoping the weekend's game are exactly that ! I believe England and Wales CAN win their respective games ... nothing to lose just throw everything at the opposition. And England in the final will be worth a drink Rog
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:31:33 GMT
What like gambling has died out... Whilst appreciating your attempt at humour ... lollygagger 's point is valid ... gambling isn't a sport. Rog It wasn't an attempt at humour...
Gambling and sport bring out many similar 'basic instincts' in people, primarily 'I/we can win if I/we are good enough v always a chance of an outsider win' - I think what Ricco was trying to explain was that Rugby at International level is becoming far more of a loosing battle for the outsiders to win - and in some ways I agree - (even the Ref can't be blamed for poor decisions nowadays ).
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