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Post by patty on Oct 4, 2019 6:40:00 GMT
OK so my plan...I always have plans but open to tweaking and change as facts dictate. I have a Nissan Quashqai (b4 I'm told know Its prob spelt rong)... Gonna sell in Dec pre away for maybe almost 4 months..few reasons I'm disappearing for that length of time. Have sorted out house so that they'll be either son or someone there most of the time.. Now getting bit concerned over environmental impact of gas guzzlers and looking at electric.. I know have to have charging plug thingy outside..have electrician coming to-day to discuss that and repairing few unsafe bits of house. What happens when u r trundling along with regards battery usage for window wipers/heating/radio..does that deduct from mileage allowance? Are they advanced enough to be a rational consideration based on my usage...I drive long distances to Scotland/Dover plus Brum Should I forget electric and go for smaller petrol? Whats a hybrid?
Whatever I decide I will get end of March.... What will happen is my car goes end Nov.. I will do without for 2 weeks in Dec..
I have reached decision to up and go for longer than originally intended and I will not leave car here as the parking area required for Ants van when he stays.
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Post by bodger on Oct 4, 2019 6:54:37 GMT
are you rich?
if not then you can't afford one.
do you really expect to be able to drive to Scotland or Dover without worrying about the hassle of charging?
if not, and you can afford to buy an EV, then hire a car when needed for long journeys. some of the deals for hiring cars are incredible. my son came home from overseas in August and hired a Merc C class from Heathrow for 4 days at £30/day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 7:00:59 GMT
At this point in the century, despite all the hype, electric cars are not suitable for long distance trips, and especially not to the outer limits like Scotland.
Hybrid cars have both a petrol and electric engine. Thus they have as long a range as anything else. But again, the electric drive element is over-hyped - I drove a Prius for a little while which only operated on the battery as long as the speed was below 10mph and, while it was undeniably economical around town, drank the gas like there was no tomorrow on the highway. This is why you see hybrid drivers resolutely plodding along at 56mph in a desperate attempt to achieve some semblance of fuel economy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 8:26:13 GMT
OK so my plan...I always have plans but open to tweaking and change as facts dictate. I have a Nissan Quashqai (b4 I'm told know Its prob spelt rong)... Gonna sell in Dec pre away for maybe almost 4 months..few reasons I'm disappearing for that length of time. Have sorted out house so that they'll be either son or someone there most of the time.. Now getting bit concerned over environmental impact of gas guzzlers and looking at electric.. I know have to have charging plug thingy outside..have electrician coming to-day to discuss that and repairing few unsafe bits of house. What happens when u r trundling along with regards battery usage for window wipers/heating/radio..does that deduct from mileage allowance? Are they advanced enough to be a rational consideration based on my usage...I drive long distances to Scotland/Dover plus Brum Should I forget electric and go for smaller petrol? Whats a hybrid? Whatever I decide I will get end of March.... What will happen is my car goes end Nov.. I will do without for 2 weeks in Dec.. I have reached decision to up and go for longer than originally intended and I will not leave car here as the parking area required for Ants van when he stays. With your journey pattern I personally wouldnt even consider fully electric. Maybe in 10 or 15 years when (if? ) the infra structure is much better. If you want to make a move in that direction I would suggest a hybrid with a petrol or diesel engine to support you when the battery runs out of juice. There are different types now ranging from plug in ones which you can charge up like a fully electric car and 'self charging' ones which use energy from vehicle movement/braking to push charge back into thr battery. We have a family member who has an Outlander plug in Hybrid. He runs it on pure electric around tne doors but on both when coming up to visit he us up north. Its a nice vehicle but they ain't cheap. Another option would be to go pure electric for day to day use and then hire a traditional car for the occasional long journey.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 8:33:56 GMT
At this point in the century, despite all the hype, electric cars are not suitable for long distance trips, and especially not to the outer limits like Scotland. Hybrid cars have both a petrol and electric engine. Thus they have as long a range as anything else. But again, the electric drive element is over-hyped - I drove a Prius for a little while which only operated on the battery as long as the speed was below 10mph and, while it was undeniably economical around town, drank the gas like there was no tomorrow on the highway. This is why you see hybrid drivers resolutely plodding along at 56mph in a desperate attempt to achieve some semblance of fuel economy. Some of the newer hybrid systems allow for pure electric propulsion throughout the speed range but with a pretty paltry range on pure electric, something like 30 miles for an Outlander, and that depends on driving style.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 8:45:56 GMT
Is train + hire a small car near your destination an option for longer trips?
Could you manage with a second hand small efficient petrol car for local use?
If so it might be more environmentally beneficial to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 9:04:27 GMT
patty I fear that whatever car or form of transport you choose will not save the environment. Purchase a car of your choice that you like of whatever propulsion ... I'm sure you're not a 'high carbon footprint' type person. The other cars will still have been manufactured ... your choice will make no difference other than to your comfort and convenience. Rog
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Post by patty on Oct 4, 2019 10:26:41 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input.... I think I'll sell what I have as planned and on my return see what I actually need car for It may be that using train and then getting small whatever for here..I will need one of some description as the public transport won't get me to places like the Worms Head at the right times. I am getting tired of long distance driving, also getting a bit weary of expectations. If I get a small car I will have to stop the lugging and lifting as there will be no room.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 10:43:21 GMT
patty I fear that whatever car or form of transport you choose will not save the environment. Purchase a car of your choice that you like of whatever propulsion ... I'm sure you're not a 'high carbon footprint' type person. The other cars will still have been manufactured ... your choice will make no difference other than to your comfort and convenience. Rog I think a lot of people are falling into the same trap. The family member I refer to above had a beautiful virtually brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee. Yes it was a diesel and as they were becoming increasingly demonised he became increasingly concerned about the potential for plummeting value of his vehicle so he traded it for the Mitsubishi Outlander Hybrid. In reality the bottom hasn't quite dropped out the used values of diesel vehicles at least according to some pundits, there is actually conflicting data some of which suggests that values are holding up as used car buyers are still finding fuel economy of diesels attractive despite all the anti diesel sentiment in some quarters. Personally I will remain a die hard (no pun intended) diesel driver for as long as possible not least due to range issues and charging availability, but also due to affordability of the initial vehicle purchase. They are consistently currently more expensive that equivalent cars with ICE, often a LOT more. The Outlander I refer to above has a very similar spec. to my Ford Kuga in the chosen versions.The Kuga cost around £25k new, the equivalent Hybrid Outlander (which actually can legally tow our current caravan as well) comes in at around a whopping £45K. That's one hell of a difference. And a lot of money to spend in order to feel 'good' about saving the planet. No doubt as peterboat will point out to us all we are all heading that way eventually anyway, the changes the government are bringing in to the sale of ICE vehicles means it is inevitable. I for one will not be an 'early adopter'. Anyway if I make it alive to 2040 I will be 82 and if still relatively fit and well probably making full use of my free bus pass by then (no doubt on an electric bus) and will have given up caravanning too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 10:48:14 GMT
I reckon part of the reason for a push towards electric cars is more strict monitoring of people's behaviour and opportunities for marketing.
As an example it appears that if you buy a Tesla motor car you will be tracked by the company and all of your data will be put into their computers and they will automatically analyse you. Like a great big smartphone you can drive. Of course this could be used for positive purposes such as rewarding safe drivers with cheaper insurance but there is also room for lots and lots of bad things to happen and money spinning obviously.
If you are deemed to be a problem or suspected of some crime or something your car can be remotely disabled and location pinpointed. Ok yes this is good for crime reduction but abuse would be too easy.
Difficult to do these things with existing IC engine vehicles but with electric it is simple. Even down to the detail of when and where you charge up.
Big brother gone mad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 10:53:12 GMT
patty I fear that whatever car or form of transport you choose will not save the environment. Purchase a car of your choice that you like of whatever propulsion ... I'm sure you're not a 'high carbon footprint' type person. The other cars will still have been manufactured ... your choice will make no difference other than to your comfort and convenience. Rog I think a lot of people are falling into the same trap. The family member I refer to above had a beautiful virtually brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee. Yes it was a diesel and as they were becoming increasingly demonised he became increasingly concerned about the potential for plummeting value of his vehicle so he traded it for the Mitsubishi Outlander Hybrid. In reality the bottom hasn't quite dropped out the used values of diesel vehicles at least according to some pundits, there is actually conflicting data some of which suggests that values are holding up as used car buyers are still finding fuel economy of diesels attractive despite all the anti diesel sentiment in some quarters. Personally I will remain a die hard (no pun intended) diesel driver for as long as possible not least due to range issues and charging availability, but also due to affordability of the initial vehicle purchase. They are consistently currently more expensive that equivalent cars with ICE, often a LOT more. The Outlander I refer to above has a very similar spec. to my Ford Kuga in the chosen versions.The Kuga cost around £25k new, the equivalent Hybrid Outlander (which actually can legally tow our current caravan as well) comes in at around a whopping £45K. That's one hell of a difference. And a lot of money to spend in order to feel 'good' about saving the planet. No doubt as peterboat will point out to us all we are all heading that way eventually anyway, the changes the government are bringing in to the sale of ICE vehicles means it is inevitable. I for one will not be an 'early adopter'. Anyway if I make it alive to 2040 I will be 82 and if still relatively fit and well probably making full use of my free bus pass by then (no doubt on an electric bus) and will have given up caravanning too. When we used to live in medieval villages there was little need to travel as we’d get water from the local well/stream and farm our own food. Shelter was even made from local produce. Although I doubt the pendulum will swing back that far, I think that our reliance on moving stuff around the planet and ‘working’ long distances away from where we live, is the real trap.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 10:54:29 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input.... I think I'll sell what I have as planned and on my return see what I actually need car for It may be that using train and then getting small whatever for here..I will need one of some description as the public transport won't get me to places like the Worms Head at the right times. I am getting tired of long distance driving, also getting a bit weary of expectations. If I get a small car I will have to stop the lugging and lifting as there will be no room. I think the claimed current best range from a pure electric car is the Niro from Kia. It does (subject to driving style) a claimed 282 miles on a single full charge. Note the word 'claimed'. That comes in at a whopping £32K with the govt, grant of £3.5K. It is a lot of money for what in all other respects is a relatively small pretty meagre specd. car.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 10:58:36 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input.... I think I'll sell what I have as planned and on my return see what I actually need car for It may be that using train and then getting small whatever for here..I will need one of some description as the public transport won't get me to places like the Worms Head at the right times. I am getting tired of long distance driving, also getting a bit weary of expectations. If I get a small car I will have to stop the lugging and lifting as there will be no room. I think the claimed current best range from a pure electric car is the Niro from Kia. It does (subject to driving style) a claimed 282 miles on a single full charge. Note the word 'claimed'. That comes in at a whopping £32K with the govt, grant of £3.5K. It is a lot of money for what in all other respects is a relatively small pretty meagre specd. car. My mate has a Nissan Leaf. Despite the ‘claimed’ figures I know that, having driven it for a few years, he wouldn’t risk more than 80 miles between charges.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 4, 2019 11:08:03 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input.... I think I'll sell what I have as planned and on my return see what I actually need car for It may be that using train and then getting small whatever for here..I will need one of some description as the public transport won't get me to places like the Worms Head at the right times. I am getting tired of long distance driving, also getting a bit weary of expectations. If I get a small car I will have to stop the lugging and lifting as there will be no room. So Patty you can get a government grant for your electric point. I have two hybrids and a full electric truck so I sort of know what I am talking about, I would buy a Vauxhall Ampera/Chevrolet volt these are range extenders, my daughter has one which I advised her to buy and it is saving her a fortune, in summer it has a range of 50 miles on petrol then it uses the petrol motor for driving and charging the batteries, secondhand low mileage budget on 11K for one maybe less if like us you get lucky. Pure electric Tesla model S 2014/5 about 30K good range well built and in a lot of cases free supercharging from Tesla for life, my magistrate friend Niel bought one a few months ago he goes to London twice a week as yet he has not paid to charge his car, also he is being paid 45 pence a mile to use it, the Ampera and Tesla are allowed in London for free.
I am looking at Tesla model s at the moment and have 3 friends with them so know what issues they have had which is none!! the daughters Ampera has been good as well she works in Leeds so her daily commute can be done just on electric saving her and the human race at the same time. I forgot one of the real good points of a lot of electric cars, in winter push of a button it can heat the car up to running temps on the house electric so you drive off cosy and warm, in summer you can do the same with the aircon as well, if you are going to do it next year will be a good time to do it, before everybody realises that it the future and diesel and petrol is the past
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 11:12:35 GMT
Thanks everyone for your input.... I think I'll sell what I have as planned and on my return see what I actually need car for It may be that using train and then getting small whatever for here..I will need one of some description as the public transport won't get me to places like the Worms Head at the right times. I am getting tired of long distance driving, also getting a bit weary of expectations. If I get a small car I will have to stop the lugging and lifting as there will be no room. So Patty you can get a government grant for your electric point. I have two hybrids and a full electric truck so I sort of know what I am talking about, I would buy a Vauxhall Ampera/Chevrolet volt these are range extenders, my daughter has one which I advised her to buy and it is saving her a fortune, in summer it has a range of 50 miles on petrol then it uses the petrol motor for driving and charging the batteries, secondhand low mileage budget on 11K for one maybe less if like us you get lucky. Pure electric Tesla model S 2014/5 about 30K good range well built and in a lot of cases free supercharging from Tesla for life, my magistrate friend Niel bought one a few months ago he goes to London twice a week as yet he has not paid to charge his car, also he is being paid 45 pence a mile to use it, the Ampera and Tesla are allowed in London for free.
I am looking at Tesla model s at the moment and have 3 friends with them so know what issues they have had which is none!! the daughters Ampera has been good as well she works in Leeds so her daily commute can be done just on electric saving her and the human race at the same time. I forgot one of the real good points of a lot of electric cars, in winter push of a button it can heat the car up to running temps on the house electric so you drive off cosy and warm, in summer you can do the same with the aircon as well, if you are going to do it next year will be a good time to do it, before everybody realises that it the future and diesel and petrol is the past
Are you sure??? Don't you mean electric?
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