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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 10:51:14 GMT
I have been thoroughly enjoying the rugby world cup games, and the attendant coverage of Japan and the visiting crowds.
All great fun and Japan has been the perfect host.
I have watched all manner of professional sport ... rugby, ice hockey, basketball, American football, cricket, horse racing and soccer ... and yet soccer has been the only sport that seems to attract the racist chanting and crowd issues.
The England v Bulgaria game this week is an example, with the match stopped twice and I understand over 40 arrests.
This surely cannot be about the sport ... it HAS to be about the people who go.
I really don't understand ... any explanations or theories ?
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 11:08:29 GMT
I can explain the difference between soccer and football if you like?
Other than that its down to the cliental really, rugby brings in a more grown up type of person, football the knuckle dragging type.
I prefer football myself but have been a few rugby matches and the difference on the stands is obvious, the abuse the football fans hurl at the pitch is strange, my brother is one, loves to call all the players the c word, up to him I guess.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 16, 2019 11:16:46 GMT
Seems obvious to me. If you went to a proper school, you played rugger. If you didn’t, you played football. That’s all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 11:30:38 GMT
I was in a wetherspoon a few years ago with the misses and children who were at the time small infants.
Some rugger buggers were getting quite excitable and one of them said "fuck" or "fucking" as part of an expression of surprise. Immediately another one turned round and apologised to us.
I just said "don't worry they get a lot worse at home".
I don't think football fans would have the same sort of consideration.
There definitely is a class thing with Rugby as well obviously.
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Post by ianali on Oct 16, 2019 11:34:00 GMT
I was in a wetherspoon a few years ago with the misses and children who were at the time small infants. Some rugger buggers were getting quite excitable and one of them said "fuck" or "fucking" as part of an expression of surprise. Immediately another one turned round and apologised to us. I just said "don't worry they get a lot worse at home". I don't think football fans would have the same sort of consideration. There definitely is a class thing with Rugby as well obviously. Some football fans would! Me for one. Do all boaters behave like Steve Haywood then? I know a group of rugger fans who act like complete arses. I also know that most don’t.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 11:37:19 GMT
Fair enough. I guess you are probably right I have not yet come across any football fans in a wetherspoon.
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Post by ianali on Oct 16, 2019 11:43:28 GMT
I have been thoroughly enjoying the rugby world cup games, and the attendant coverage of Japan and the visiting crowds. All great fun and Japan has been the perfect host. I have watched all manner of professional sport ... rugby, ice hockey, basketball, American football, cricket, horse racing and soccer ... and yet soccer has been the only sport that seems to attract the racist chanting and crowd issues. The England v Bulgaria game this week is an example, with the match stopped twice and I understand over 40 arrests. This surely cannot be about the sport ... it HAS to be about the people who go. I really don't understand ... any explanations or theories ? Rog The racists and hooligans that go to football matches aren’t really there for the footy, they go for there fun. There not football fans.
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Post by dyertribe on Oct 16, 2019 12:08:43 GMT
Seems obvious to me. If you went to a proper school, you played rugger. If you didn’t, you played football. That’s all. In Wales you played rugby whatever school you went to if you woz a boy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 12:20:24 GMT
I've only been to one football match in my life, but there a was free ticket, so what the hell. The game was of no interest but the threats, insults, etc between the home crowd and the visitors was entertaining. Clearly some of the jibes were in jest, but some were clearly not. And I left before the final whistle so I don't know if the fun continued outside. I believe throwing bananas on to the pitch was thought to be highly amusing at one point.
I have heard that Liverpool recently signed some muslim player who is hot stuff. It has been reported that one chant from the terraces included the line 'I'll be muslim too' but only, it would appear, if he maintains the performance.
There clearly used to be much more interest in hooliganism in years gone by, which often seems to have attracted the racist element too - it seems unsurprising to me - but there have been some notable exceptions to the rule. There is (or was) a black guy called Cass who was famously part of that scene and whose reputation has been romanticised a tad.
Also, it seems Russian fans upped the ante a few years ago at some international tournament which I am told has led to a general resurgence in hooliganism.
Rugby is said to be a game for thugs played by gentlemen, and football the reverse. I have no interest in either (as a sport, anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 14:12:29 GMT
I'm not sure that 'class' plays any significant part. Plenty of sports that could be described as 'working class' do not attract the behaviour (rugby league, speedway, greyhound racing). I'm sure ianali is right that the bad behaviour, whilst manifesting itself at soccer matches, isn't about soccer and the protaganists are not drawn to soccer by the game. Disappointing that international soccer should have to tolerate this. Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 16, 2019 15:30:57 GMT
I'm not sure that 'class' plays any significant part. Plenty of sports that could be described as 'working class' do not attract the behaviour (rugby league, speedway, greyhound racing). I'm sure ianali is right that the bad behaviour, whilst manifesting itself at soccer matches, isn't about soccer and the protaganists are not drawn to soccer by the game. Disappointing that international soccer should have to tolerate this. Rog Well possibly, but there has to be a reason why it is prevalent in that sport much more than others. It surely doesn’t stem from the teams, as they are about as multicultural as it gets. It must therefore surely stem from the type of person who frequents the matches. I suppose football is amusement for the masses, the Victory Gin of both 1984 and 2019. Not surprising then, that it is most likely to collect the dregs of society. Well, those who are not preoccupied on here, anyway.
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Post by lollygagger on Oct 16, 2019 17:11:24 GMT
It's always the eastern Europeans/Russians. If they played Rugby you can bet it would cross over. They are simply countries that are behind the social / political times we inhabit here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 17:25:57 GMT
It's interesting to note the high net worth of football players compared with other sports.
I wonder if all the money hype is winding people up.
According to a search Wayne Rooney is worth over £100 million whereas the captain of the England rugby team is worth about £5 million.
Or is it just a numbers game. More people means more likelihood of idiots and more idiots in general.
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Post by ianali on Oct 16, 2019 17:27:46 GMT
It's always the eastern Europeans/Russians. If they played Rugby you can bet it would cross over. They are simply countries that are behind the social / political times we inhabit here. Indeed. No racists or hooligans from England are there? 😳
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Post by lollygagger on Oct 16, 2019 17:41:24 GMT
It's always the eastern Europeans/Russians. If they played Rugby you can bet it would cross over. They are simply countries that are behind the social / political times we inhabit here. Indeed. No racists or hooligans from England are there? 😳 A lot less / quieter than they were and it's a bit tricky when nearly all our players are foreigners? Ours got all loved up on e's in the nineties. Back in the late 70's and early eighties when the pubs shut at 11, the hour between 11 and 12 was known as smacking hour where I lived. All the thugs that hadn't pulled in the pub liked to smack someone at random on their way to the night club. The only way to get home safely was to leave well before 11. I really don't think that kind of mindless violence exists now, maybe because pubs shut at different times, maybe we've all moved on.
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