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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 18:55:07 GMT
I always think of containers as being something which is manipulated using a crane rather than a wheeled vehicle. They are loaded at the factory in, say, China whilst mounted on a skeletal trailer towed by a tractor unit Then the truck is driven to the dock and the container is lifted off with a straddle carrier Or a reach stacker Then loaded onto a container ship with gantry cranes. At the destination (e.g. Felixstowe) the procedure is reversed and the container goes onward on a UK-based tractor unit and skeletal trailer for delivery. Maybe I just never pay attention but I don't seem to recall seeing these containers on the roads in the UK. Not covered that many road miles in my life so maybe I've just missed them or not noticed.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 23, 2019 18:56:53 GMT
And.... who alerted the Police and ambulance? One possible theory is that the driver is completely innocent in all of this and it was him who alerted the authorities. The wagon isnt parked, it looks like its been stopped abruptly without properly pulling over. It will all come to light in due course. You think? How many other incidents have just 'faded away' along with their details? There are many details that have not been told yet with this one - movements of the refrigerated unit, for instance. The industrial estate - where exactly? And why was the lorry going there? What was the lorry's destination? For instance, if back to Ireland, the route would be the A1090 towards the A13 to get to the M25, perhaps? It's a bit suspicious with the lorry being registered in Bulgaria and having a left-hand drive for starters. What's that all about? Ah.... cheap registration, cheap licences, cheap everything: www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=127679&p=1992179
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 19:00:12 GMT
They are loaded at the factory in, say, China whilst mounted on a skeletal trailer towed by a tractor unit Then the truck is driven to the dock and the container is lifted off with a straddle carrier Or a reach stacker Then loaded onto a container ship with gantry cranes. At the destination (e.g. Felixstowe) the procedure is reversed and the container goes onward on a UK-based tractor unit and skeletal trailer for delivery. Maybe I just never pay attention but I don't seem to recall seeing these containers on the roads in the UK. Not covered that many road miles in my life so maybe I've just missed them or not noticed. If you lived near Teesport like I do you would see them every day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 19:03:35 GMT
I did wonder about that. It's a local thing. Most of my motorway driving has been very genteel M40 M4 M25 and some M67 plus of course the MI6 thing.
I usually get helicoptered out to more remote locations as required so tend to miss out on the nuisance container truck problems.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 23, 2019 19:05:18 GMT
They are loaded at the factory in, say, China whilst mounted on a skeletal trailer towed by a tractor unit Then the truck is driven to the dock and the container is lifted off with a straddle carrier Or a reach stacker Then loaded onto a container ship with gantry cranes. At the destination (e.g. Felixstowe) the procedure is reversed and the container goes onward on a UK-based tractor unit and skeletal trailer for delivery. Maybe I just never pay attention but I don't seem to recall seeing these containers on the roads in the UK. Not covered that many road miles in my life so maybe I've just missed them or not noticed. Can't believe you have a driving licence! How much else do you miss?!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 23, 2019 19:07:57 GMT
They are loaded at the factory in, say, China whilst mounted on a skeletal trailer towed by a tractor unit Then the truck is driven to the dock and the container is lifted off with a straddle carrier Or a reach stacker Then loaded onto a container ship with gantry cranes. At the destination (e.g. Felixstowe) the procedure is reversed and the container goes onward on a UK-based tractor unit and skeletal trailer for delivery. Maybe I just never pay attention but I don't seem to recall seeing these containers on the roads in the UK. Not covered that many road miles in my life so maybe I've just missed them or not noticed. A quick Google suggests that 5.9 million containers passed through UK ports in 2016. In fact it will be more than this since two 20' containers count as one unit. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/646188/port-freight-statistics-2016-revised.pdf
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 23, 2019 19:10:55 GMT
It never takes long, does it?
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Post by bodger on Oct 23, 2019 19:16:24 GMT
They are loaded at the factory in, say, China whilst mounted on a skeletal trailer towed by a tractor unit Then the truck is driven to the dock and the container is lifted off with a straddle carrier Or a reach stacker Then loaded onto a container ship with gantry cranes. At the destination (e.g. Felixstowe) the procedure is reversed and the container goes onward on a UK-based tractor unit and skeletal trailer for delivery. Maybe I just never pay attention but I don't seem to recall seeing these containers on the roads in the UK. Not covered that many road miles in my life so maybe I've just missed them or not noticed. any fool can look at the photos of the truck involved and come to the conclusion that it was not a CONTAINER as such. the description of 'container truck' is being used loosely by the media - as usual they are full of bullshit. It is important because the truck, with the 'container body' came across on the ferry - the container was not lifted onto a truck chassis in the UK.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 23, 2019 19:23:04 GMT
Maybe I just never pay attention but I don't seem to recall seeing these containers on the roads in the UK. Not covered that many road miles in my life so maybe I've just missed them or not noticed. any fool can look at the photos of the truck involved and come to the conclusion that it was not a CONTAINER as such. the description of 'container truck' is being used loosely by the media - as usual they are full of bullshit. It is important because the truck, with the 'container body' came across on the ferry - the container was not lifted onto a truck chassis in the UK. But the trailer did not cross the English Channel with the tractor unit. The first time the driver would have seen the trailer would be at Purfleet. He may or equally may not be complicit, collecting unaccompanied trailers from the docks is something I have done myself hundreds if not thousands of times and you have no way of knowing what is in the trailer other than going by the paperwork.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 23, 2019 19:30:58 GMT
I thought that truck drivers with migrants in the back were assumed to be guilty?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 19:34:21 GMT
I thought that truck drivers with migrants in the back were assumed to be guilty? Of murder? I hope not. (Doubt it)
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 23, 2019 19:41:42 GMT
On the news a few years ago that drivers caught coming through Dover were automatically assumed guilty if migrants were found, even if the migrants had forced their way in. I remember Stabby commenting at length. Maybe this has changed now.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 23, 2019 19:43:26 GMT
I thought that truck drivers with migrants in the back were assumed to be guilty? They were if they had entered the UK on an accompanied crossing, although HMRC have belatedly accepted that driver involvement is not generally the case- there was a time when truck drivers were automatically fined £2,000 for each stowaway found in the trailer even when they had no knowledge of this and many lost their homes because of it. I was banned from CWDF for saying this when that South African prick was out in Calais doing his best to facilitate people-smuggling. I attracted huge opprobrium from Mr Pikey on CWDF for saying this but I will stand by it, if I had to face the choice of a £78,000 fine and losing everything I owned and then some, or finding 39 dead people in the trailer I would choose the latter every single time.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 23, 2019 19:46:35 GMT
So would I but was the fine waived if the migrants were dead?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 20:02:22 GMT
On the news a few years ago that drivers caught coming through Dover were automatically assumed guilty if migrants were found, even if the migrants had forced their way in. I remember Stabby commenting at length. Maybe this has changed now. I would think in this case it will depend on the investigation. The 'higher' charge and conviction would be murder which he may or may not be charged and convicted of. If he is not found guilty of murder he could still be found guilty of being involved in people trafficking, whether or not the people he was trafficking died in the process or not.
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