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Post by kris on Dec 22, 2019 10:32:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 11:38:01 GMT
I've always maintained that recycling is simply unpaid work carried out by every day people to generate profits. Normally getting people to do work involves paying them, unless they are volunteers. I will continue to hold this view.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 11:51:46 GMT
Interesting article thanks.
So many green evangelists with their smart phones and bottled water are actually deluding themselves ... the intent may be admirable but the realities don't match up.
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Post by bodger on Dec 22, 2019 11:57:55 GMT
An article like that loses all credibility when you do a couple of sums and find that the basic figures they quote must have been worked out by Ms Abbott. 200 million tonnes per year? (that is more than 3 tonnes per head). no - 20 million actually.
journalists are buffoons who couldn't be trusted to work out their age on their birthdays.
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Post by thebfg on Dec 22, 2019 15:14:06 GMT
I wonder what used to happen.
I know at one point the coop were getting paid 100 a tonne for polythene and a bit less for cardboard. I've no idea about now.
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Post by peterboat on Dec 22, 2019 18:25:37 GMT
Plastic is a menace us older ones remember refundable glass bottles? what wasnt to like about them?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 18:36:29 GMT
I heard a bloke moaning about plastic packaging on the radio earlier. Too much plastic packaging in the supermarket.
It's bound to happen. Large scale transportation and distribution of food products relies on the ability to extend the "shelf life" of the product. What's the best way to preserve something before sale? Wrap it in plastic. Even better, shrink wrap it. Or if it's a liquid package it in rectangular boxes with foil inside which have a net positive benefit when compared with the outcomes of not packaging it.
I sometimes wonder if humans taking their eyes off the ball of the food situation might be what actually takes them out.
We do need food.
Roll on the day when you can eat a couple of golfball sized nutrition units per day.
Obviously chewable as golf balls are a bit too big to swallow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 1:22:15 GMT
The companies that produce the packaging and the industries that consume it to be made responsible for its recycling. All forms of plastic that are either uneconomical to be recycled or are impossible to recycle to be banned. Promotion of biodegradable packaging to be encouraged.
But none of this will happen because the owners of the plants which produce the plastic and the owners of the supermarkets and all of their shareholders are rich and influential and simply wouldn't allow their profits to evaporate without a fight. And there probably aren't too many landfill sites near Windsor.
A case in point: the recent environment summit in which all the countries involved agreed something should be done but completely failed to decide on what should be done, or when. The debate was stymied by the most developed nations.
Good luck to the following generations. The sun is well over the yard-arm so pass the gin.
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1.1kg pppd x 66.5 million (uk population) = 73,150 tonnes per day
Total 26,700,000 tonnes per year (conservative). That's still a lot of trash.
We don't need ultra-processed golf-balls. Just stop farming meat. I do love a bit of rare steak though, so bullocks to that.
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Post by bodger on Dec 23, 2019 8:16:43 GMT
The companies that produce the packaging and the industries that consume it to be made responsible for its recycling. All forms of plastic that are either uneconomical to be recycled or are impossible to recycle to be banned. Promotion of biodegradable packaging to be encouraged. But none of this will happen because the owners of the plants which produce the plastic and the owners of the supermarkets and all of their shareholders are rich and influential and simply wouldn't allow their profits to evaporate without a fight. And there probably aren't too many landfill sites near Windsor. A case in point: the recent environment summit in which all the countries involved agreed something should be done but completely failed to decide on what should be done, or when. The debate was stymied by the most developed nations. Good luck to the following generations. The sun is well over the yard-arm so pass the gin. ****************************** 1.1kg pppd x 66.5 million (uk population) = 73,150 tonnes per day Total 26,700,000 tonnes per year (conservative). That's still a lot of trash. We don't need ultra-processed golf-balls. Just stop farming meat. I do love a bit of rare steak though, so bullocks to that. wot he said. ............ and let's face it, we could all manage without beefsteak if we had to. .............. but what's the point in the average Brit reducing his steak intake to, say, 250gms per meal (17 million kg per meal for the whole country) when the greedy fat pigs on the other side of the pond think it's OK to eat a huge steak (perhaps 200 million kg for the whole country). As long as the greasy blonde con artist is in charge nothing will get better. All they need to do to ensure they have enough to go round is to clear another million hectares of forest every year to grow some more beefsteaks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 8:25:34 GMT
Indeed.
At the end of the day it will be up to nature to introduce checks and balances for humans. Humans think they are intelligent "I think therefore I think I am" all that sort of nonsense but in reality as a group humans are thick as pigshit.
Totally incapable of saving themselves in the long term. It can't be done.
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Post by Gone on Dec 23, 2019 8:42:27 GMT
The companies that produce the packaging and the industries that consume it to be made responsible for its recycling. All forms of plastic that are either uneconomical to be recycled or are impossible to recycle to be banned. Promotion of biodegradable packaging to be encouraged. But none of this will happen because the owners of the plants which produce the plastic and the owners of the supermarkets and all of their shareholders are rich and influential and simply wouldn't allow their profits to evaporate without a fight. And there probably aren't too many landfill sites near Windsor. A case in point: the recent environment summit in which all the countries involved agreed something should be done but completely failed to decide on what should be done, or when. The debate was stymied by the most developed nations. Good luck to the following generations. The sun is well over the yard-arm so pass the gin. ****************************** 1.1kg pppd x 66.5 million (uk population) = 73,150 tonnes per day Total 26,700,000 tonnes per year (conservative). That's still a lot of trash. We don't need ultra-processed golf-balls. Just stop farming meat. I do love a bit of rare steak though, so bullocks to that. Actually the recyclable plastics cost more and are so are probably profitable for packaging manufacturers, supermarkets aren’t bothered so long as all supermarkets must use fully recyclable plastics (don’t want the others to have a competitive advantage), the big blockage to change is the government. It’s not a vote winner to increase the cost of food, either by having packaging that cost more than the food, or more food waste. Eg If tomatoes are bought loose, who will buy the damaged and squashed ones, nobody, or they are sent to the food bank with just more poor families with less money and more photo opportunities outside the food banks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 9:38:00 GMT
Indeed. At the end of the day it will be up to nature to introduce checks and balances for humans. Humans think they are intelligent "I think therefore I think I am" all that sort of nonsense but in reality as a group humans are thick as pigshit. Totally incapable of saving themselves in the long term. It can't be done. Personally I'm pink therefore I'm spam.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 9:43:38 GMT
The companies that produce the packaging and the industries that consume it to be made responsible for its recycling. All forms of plastic that are either uneconomical to be recycled or are impossible to recycle to be banned. Promotion of biodegradable packaging to be encouraged. But none of this will happen because the owners of the plants which produce the plastic and the owners of the supermarkets and all of their shareholders are rich and influential and simply wouldn't allow their profits to evaporate without a fight. And there probably aren't too many landfill sites near Windsor. A case in point: the recent environment summit in which all the countries involved agreed something should be done but completely failed to decide on what should be done, or when. The debate was stymied by the most developed nations. Good luck to the following generations. The sun is well over the yard-arm so pass the gin. ****************************** 1.1kg pppd x 66.5 million (uk population) = 73,150 tonnes per day Total 26,700,000 tonnes per year (conservative). That's still a lot of trash. We don't need ultra-processed golf-balls. Just stop farming meat. I do love a bit of rare steak though, so bullocks to that. Actually the recyclable plastics cost more and are so are probably profitable for packaging manufacturers, supermarkets aren’t bothered so long as all supermarkets must use fully recyclable plastics (don’t want the others to have a competitive advantage), the big blockage to change is the government. It’s not a vote winner to increase the cost of food, either by having packaging that cost more than the food, or more food waste. Eg If tomatoes are bought loose, who will buy the damaged and squashed ones, nobody, or they are sent to the food bank with just more poor families with less money and more photo opportunities outside the food banks. That's a great point about packaging and votes. All those squashed veg would make a shitload of soup! I always thought that the wasted food at the school cafeteria went to pig swill. Incidentally, in the old days the pig was was sometimes referred to as 'the gentleman who pays the rent' since it would thrive on just about any scraps offered to it - a vital element of the subsistence economy.
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Post by bodger on Dec 23, 2019 10:20:42 GMT
Indeed. At the end of the day it will be up to nature to introduce checks and balances for humans. Humans think they are intelligent "I think therefore I think I am" all that sort of nonsense but in reality as a group humans are thick as pigshit. Totally incapable of saving themselves in the long term. It can't be done. as Philip Appleman says in his essay 'The Labrynth' : The human assault on the plant and animal kingdom has always been based on the explicit or implicit assumption of divine authority - an assumption so arrogant and so dissociated from reality that it is inherently unstable and self-destructive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 20:44:30 GMT
as Philip Appleman says in his essay 'The Labrynth' : The human assault on the plant and animal kingdom.Awfully sorry to bother you old boy but it is "Labyrinth" not "Labrynth". As for the human assault on the animal kingdom I had quite a strangely moving experience today. Driving round the 25 in some fairly heavy traffic between M3 and M4 I was looking at all the debris by the central reservation. Lots of vehicle related shite and some rubbish. Then there was a dead bird. It had been dead ages. Looked like a pigeon. There I was sitting in a car not moving looking out my window at an incredibly beautiful item. These things can fly about in the air. When alive obviously but that is seriously clever shit. I'm not a birder or anything like that, not a vegetarian or vegan but seeing a long dead pigeon with tyre dust all over it did make me wonder if humans deserve to survive on this planet.
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