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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 18:55:39 GMT
Looks like they have decided to move it by road. A wise decision I reckon.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 12, 2020 10:53:55 GMT
Looks like they have decided to move it by road. A wise decision I reckon. Yes, . . given all the circumstances, that's got to be the right decision. Looking back through the CWDF thread the OP's post count is only five, inclusive of the last post re. the decision to move the boat on a wagon, and if I remember right newly joined CWDF members can't send or receive PM's until they've clocked up that number of posts, . . so perhaps he didn't get your PM until yesterday ? Let's hope that when they start getting out and about with their new acquisition they come to the right forum for practical and specific help and advice before venturing onto the Humber, Ouse or Trent from their Leicestershire mooring. The advice, tides info and trip timing available elsewhere is invariably limited to asking C&RT lock staff, or the even more useless piece of 'non' advice once given to another complete novice via the pages of CWDF of - "work out your tide timings beforehand", . . . . mere words are sometimes just not enough !!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 11:35:33 GMT
Looks like they have decided to move it by road. A wise decision I reckon. Yes, . . given all the circumstances, that's got to be the right decision. Looking back through the CWDF thread the OP's post count is only five, inclusive of the last post re. the decision to move the boat on a wagon, and if I remember right newly joined CWDF members can't send or receive PM's until they've clocked up that number of posts, . . so perhaps he didn't get your PM until yesterday ?Let's hope that when they start getting out and about with their new acquisition they come to the right forum for practical and specific help and advice before venturing onto the Humber, Ouse or Trent from their Leicestershire mooring. The advice, tides info and trip timing available elsewhere is invariably limited to asking C&RT lock staff, or the even more useless piece of 'non' advice once given to another complete novice via the pages of CWDF of - "work out your tide timings beforehand", . . . . mere words are sometimes just not enough !! Yes. That could well be the case. I have a feeling the post count quota may have been reduced to two or three, though can't find it in the forums T&C's.The message still shows as unread. It's a strange thing that in the UK, any fool can buy a boat and go out to sea without any instruction or qualification. They can navigate a tidal river or estuary in an unsuitable vessel with inadequate equipment in any weather they choose. I know, as I am one of them. I wonder how long it can last though. I would have thought some basic qualification for any inland boat venturing onto a tidal river would be a good thing, or at least a requirement to be accompanied by a qualified pilot.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 12, 2020 11:44:12 GMT
Yes, . . given all the circumstances, that's got to be the right decision. Looking back through the CWDF thread the OP's post count is only five, inclusive of the last post re. the decision to move the boat on a wagon, and if I remember right newly joined CWDF members can't send or receive PM's until they've clocked up that number of posts, . . so perhaps he didn't get your PM until yesterday ?Let's hope that when they start getting out and about with their new acquisition they come to the right forum for practical and specific help and advice before venturing onto the Humber, Ouse or Trent from their Leicestershire mooring. The advice, tides info and trip timing available elsewhere is invariably limited to asking C&RT lock staff, or the even more useless piece of 'non' advice once given to another complete novice via the pages of CWDF of - "work out your tide timings beforehand", . . . . mere words are sometimes just not enough !! It's a strange thing that in the UK, any fool can buy a boat and go out to sea without any instruction or qualification. They can navigate a tidal river or estuary in an unsuitable vessel with inadequate equipment in any weather they choose. I know, as I am one of them. I wonder how long it can last though. I would have thought some basic qualification for any inland boat venturing onto a tidal river would be a good thing, or at least a requirement to be accompanied by a qualified pilot. Heaven forbid !!! It's the last true freedom from red tape !!! It's a freedom we should all defend to the utmost !!! Otherwise it will be like ........ America !!! IMG_20171124_112944_236 by mudlarker2, on Flickr
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 12:08:01 GMT
It's a strange thing that in the UK, any fool can buy a boat and go out to sea without any instruction or qualification. They can navigate a tidal river or estuary in an unsuitable vessel with inadequate equipment in any weather they choose. I know, as I am one of them. I wonder how long it can last though. I would have thought some basic qualification for any inland boat venturing onto a tidal river would be a good thing, or at least a requirement to be accompanied by a qualified pilot. Heaven forbid !!! It's the last true freedom from red tape !!! It's a freedom we should all defend to the utmost !!! Otherwise it will be like ........ America !!! IMG_20171124_112944_236 by mudlarker2, on Flickr I bet those pilgrim fathers never had an Yachtmaster certificate.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 12, 2020 12:08:38 GMT
Yes, . . given all the circumstances, that's got to be the right decision. Looking back through the CWDF thread the OP's post count is only five, inclusive of the last post re. the decision to move the boat on a wagon, and if I remember right newly joined CWDF members can't send or receive PM's until they've clocked up that number of posts, . . so perhaps he didn't get your PM until yesterday ?Let's hope that when they start getting out and about with their new acquisition they come to the right forum for practical and specific help and advice before venturing onto the Humber, Ouse or Trent from their Leicestershire mooring. The advice, tides info and trip timing available elsewhere is invariably limited to asking C&RT lock staff, or the even more useless piece of 'non' advice once given to another complete novice via the pages of CWDF of - "work out your tide timings beforehand", . . . . mere words are sometimes just not enough !! It's a strange thing that in the UK, any fool can buy a boat and go out to sea without any instruction or qualification. They can navigate a tidal river or estuary in an unsuitable vessel with inadequate equipment in any weather they choose. I know, as I am one of them. I wonder how long it can last though. It’s a strange thing that any fool can buy a fast car, pay for some lessons, pass a formulaic test and then go on to kill and maim people. Everyone thinks that’s OK. In other words, having instruction or qualification doesn’t turn a fool into a non-fool. At least with a boating fool, it is usually only the fool and his friends/family on board that suffer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 12:13:11 GMT
I wonder how many boaters actually die negotiating tidal rivers as compared with car drivers ... my guess would be a tiny fraction.
We can all get lucky and 'get away with it' through blind ignorance, never even fully understanding the risks involved ... but only so many times.
Personally unless a bit of river connects two canals, it's not for me in a flat bottomed canal boat.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 12:14:41 GMT
It's a strange thing that in the UK, any fool can buy a boat and go out to sea without any instruction or qualification. They can navigate a tidal river or estuary in an unsuitable vessel with inadequate equipment in any weather they choose. I know, as I am one of them. I wonder how long it can last though. It’s a strange thing that any fool can buy a fast car, pay for some lessons, pass a formulaic test and then go on to kill and maim people. Everyone thinks that’s OK. In other words, having instruction or qualification doesn’t turn a fool into a non-fool. At least with a boating fool, it is usually only the fool and his friends/family on board that suffer. ....and the poor sods that have to go out and rescue them in a F8.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 12:15:09 GMT
One of the biggest hazards is bridges.
The idea is to go via the wet part between the hard parts.
As the actress said to the bishop.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 12:19:12 GMT
I wonder how many boaters actually die negotiating tidal rivers as compared with car drivers ... my guess would be a tiny fraction. We can all get lucky and 'get away with it' through blind ignorance, never even fully understanding the risks involved ... but only so many times. Personally unless a bit of river connects two canals, it's not for me in a flat bottomed canal boat. Rog How about a flat-bottomed Thames Barge? (they make the yachting world go round).
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 19, 2020 23:44:29 GMT
A query on CWDF from someone called speedypete202 : - < www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/105378-shardlow-to-the-erewash/ > . . . . . not so much 'bad' advice on this occasion, . . . but certainly rather inadequate and irrelevant advice for a proposed move off the Trent & Mersey at Shardlow onto the Erewash at Trent Lock tomorrow. Would anyone with access to making posts on CWDF please either direct speedypete202 over here to where he can get some useful advice about what he really needs to do and be careful about tomorrow, or alternatively, let him know that all the irrelevant and alarmist wittering-on about the effects the current will have on his boat where the canal joins the confluence of the Derwent with the Trent at Derwent Mouth isn't really anything to be concerned about, and certainly NOT what he should be aware of and prepared for ! No-one has mentioned anything at all about the necessity of rounding-up to port, stemming the current, and dropping-down the last 100 yards or so stern first before turning off the river and into the Erewash at Trent Lock, . . or ensuring that with a fair drop of of fresh still coming down the Trent - around 3' still 'on' at Shardlow Depot, and about the same lowside of Cranfleet Lock - that there will be sufficient headroom under the footbridge that takes the Trent towpath over the lock tail at Trent Lock to get his boat underneath it, . . whatever he might or might not be carrying on the cabin top !
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Post by TonyDunkley on Mar 20, 2020 16:37:20 GMT
A query on CWDF from someone called speedypete202 : - < www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/105378-shardlow-to-the-erewash/ > . . . . . not so much 'bad' advice on this occasion, . . . but certainly rather inadequate and irrelevant advice for a proposed move off the Trent & Mersey at Shardlow onto the Erewash at Trent Lock tomorrow. Would anyone with access to making posts on CWDF please either direct speedypete202 over here to where he can get some useful advice about what he really needs to do and be careful about tomorrow, or alternatively, let him know that all the irrelevant and alarmist wittering-on about the effects the current will have on his boat where the canal joins the confluence of the Derwent with the Trent at Derwent Mouth isn't really anything to be concerned about, and certainly NOT what he should be aware of and prepared for ! No-one has mentioned anything at all about the necessity of rounding-up to port, stemming the current, and dropping-down the last 100 yards or so stern first before turning off the river and into the Erewash at Trent Lock, . . or ensuring that with a fair drop of of fresh still coming down the Trent - around 3' still 'on' at Shardlow Depot, and about the same lowside of Cranfleet Lock - that there will be sufficient headroom under the footbridge that takes the Trent towpath over the lock tail at Trent Lock to get his boat underneath it, . . whatever he might or might not be carrying on the cabin top ! Bumpety, . . Bump ! Nobody on CWDF telling this chap what he really needs to know yet, . . they're on about a fallen tree in the cut near Ilkeston now !
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