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Post by lollygagger on Jan 9, 2020 9:58:24 GMT
Strange subject perhaps, I've never had any connection and I hate shopping but a minor recent exchange got me thinking I've read that sales in Nov/Dec were down. All kinds of things being blamed from Amazon to Brexit. What nobody is pointing out (why?) is the new banking law apparently designed to stop people in the worst cases from maxing out a fistful of cards and ever after making minimum payments while being charged excruciating interest rates on the never decreasing balance. I think overall this intention as publicised is a good thing. Anyone in persistent debt has been advised by their card issuer over the past 36 months to make ever increasing payments to clear their debt before the 36 months is up...next month. After that, banks are required by law to take more serious action and will suspend peoples cards unless they make these now large repayments. This apparently effects 4 million people who obviously live beyond their means, or did while they built up their debts, but now pay so much interest that they live below their means and are being forced to pay back their debts on top. This is probably the real cause of the minor retail slump? I have sympathy for anyone in an unavoidable financial pickle, but whether unavoidable or self inflicted, being charged mega interest while being forced to pay it back, which was NOT the deal while the debt built up, does seem to rather favour the banks. Again. None of this effects me or mine, I never had a card I didn't pay off in full all the time, in fact my last credit card (remember EGG?) was withdrawn because my "usage didn't fit their business model". i.e. they only wanted persistent debtors. It's a wicked world for the gullible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 10:10:49 GMT
I'm sure you're right ... but there's also a growing awakening (thank goodness)that getting into serious debt for more 'stuff' just because it's christmas, is pointless.
Even if it's part of the 'green revolution' nonsense, that's certainly a good part don't you think ?
Rog
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 9, 2020 10:21:18 GMT
I'm sure you're right ... but there's also a growing awakening (thank goodness)that getting into serious debt for more 'stuff' just because it's christmas, is pointless. Even if it's part of the 'green revolution' nonsense, that's certainly a good part don't you think ? Rog Yes I do. Call me old fashioned but a repayment mortgage has been my only interest paying debt and that provided a home then netted me a useful profit that I now live very frugally on. However, right now I'm very glad I don't have a wallet full of maxed out cards, a landlord taking half my income on pain of eviction, two kids, a sick wife and a new law making my thus far perilous financial ducking and diving impossible. Some people will be able to knuckle down and pay off their cards, others are going to be right in the mire.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 9, 2020 10:31:40 GMT
I read about people with £30,000 of credit card debt, and for every £100 they pay the debt only reduces by £20 and I think "Well, if that was me I wouldn't be able to sleep at night". To outward appearances I probably live a poverty spec lifestyle but I don't owe one single penny in debt so I could probably withstand a change in personal circumstances better than most.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 9, 2020 10:34:07 GMT
I'm sure you're right ... but there's also a growing awakening (thank goodness)that getting into serious debt for more 'stuff' just because it's christmas, is pointless. Even if it's part of the 'green revolution' nonsense, that's certainly a good part don't you think ? Rog Yes I do. Call me old fashioned but a repayment mortgage has been my only interest paying debt and that provided a home then netted me a useful profit that I now live very frugally on. However, right now I'm very glad I don't have a wallet full of maxed out cards, a landlord taking half my income on pain of eviction, two kids, a sick wife and a new law making my thus far perilous financial ducking and diving impossible. Some people will be able to knuckle down and pay off their cards, others are going to be right in the mire. A very good post (and point) a comparatively minor catastrophe can land someone in debt, if they do not have a "good" credit rating or standard they may have been forced to borrow on their cards at an iniquitous interest rate. Often with a little help they can start dragging themselves out of that position but they often need that little help but for many there is none to be had. To simply "stop" their credit while still demanding the interest payments plus a principle reduction will not "solve" things .... just drive more people to desperation
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Post by kris on Jan 9, 2020 11:24:22 GMT
It’s as if the banks know it’s all about to come to an end, so are clawing in as much as possible before the bubble bursts again.
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Post by samsam on Jan 9, 2020 11:46:10 GMT
It’s as if the banks know it’s all about to come to an end, so are clawing in as much as possible before the bubble bursts again. There is a current scare running that it is all due to collapse or is it blow up again this month. Sometimes think that these scare stories are created just to keep us all worried so we don't think about more serious things.
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Post by bodger on Jan 9, 2020 13:06:52 GMT
hmmm ................. I'll have to have a 'serious think' about that.
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Post by duncan on Jan 9, 2020 13:25:07 GMT
Although retail spending is down people are going out instead. Spending on restaurants, cinemas etc is up.
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Post by bodger on Jan 9, 2020 14:10:03 GMT
and just maybe many sensible folk don't need to chase around on the streets and the malls, but do their shopping on the internet where: - there is no need to waste a day searching for the unavailable, - they don't need to do touchy-feely with everything that they just might buy, - they don't need to compete with noisy kids picking everything off the shelves, tearing at the packaging and then discarding in the aisles while mum turns a blind eye, - and no need to join a queue of time wasters at the till, half of whom do not have their means of payment ready in their hand, or want to have a long conversation with the cashier, or try to return goods while others are waiting to pay.
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Post by Andyberg on Jan 9, 2020 15:14:10 GMT
You are Victor Meldrew and I claim my £5 prize! 🙄
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Post by bodger on Jan 9, 2020 15:25:13 GMT
You are Victor Meldrew and I claim my £5 prize! 🙄 and proud of it.
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