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Post by peterboat on Jan 14, 2020 14:23:06 GMT
Rotherham/Sheffield had a internet survey on what to do about the NOX levels [they have by law got to reduce them by next year] so Sheffields is charging to enter the city center for polluting vehicles Rotherham has lowered a speed limit and banned diesel buses from a route!! some cities are papering over the cracks and next year the law will tear them a new arsehole!! and the fine will be paid using the council tax payers money!! Which of course will mean a cut in services, it all a joke until one of these execs get jailed for breaking the law nothing will change, as Nemisis says the above oourt case might help
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 14, 2020 14:25:22 GMT
young, fit people can easily use public transport where it exists. Supplemented by lots of walking to and from the PT locations of course. Older, infirm, disabled people can’t. so you have a mini bus to come and collect them. The era of personal transport is coming to an end. We need to stop making things, not work out how we can keep consuming resources at the insane rate we do at the moment. Have you ever lived in the country? You would end up with a mini-bus travelling to the person’s home, taking them where they want to go, then going back to the depot. Then when they want to come home, driving to wherever they are, taking them home, going back to the depot. So instead of a small car journey each way, you would triple the number of miles AND and do it in a big heavy uneconomical minibus. Yea that really is going to save the planet! Public transport only works when lots of people want to make pretty much the same journey at the same time. That doesn’t happen in rural areas.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 14:25:28 GMT
And another thing - the Uber ban in London is a load of politically motivated horse-shit. I'm no fan of the company but they are no different from any other private hire firm. Its all about the black cab lobby forcing the hand of the mayor who is glad of any excuse to prevent traffic from entering the ULEZ.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 14, 2020 14:27:21 GMT
Rotherham/Sheffield had a internet survey on what to do about the NOX levels [they have by law got to reduce them by next year] so Sheffields is charging to enter the city center for polluting vehicles Rotherham has lowered a speed limit and banned diesel buses from a route!! some cities are papering over the cracks and next year the law will tear them a new arsehole!! and the fine will be paid using the council tax payers money!! Which of course will mean a cut in services, it all a joke until one of these execs get jailed for breaking the law nothing will change, as Nemisis says the above oourt case might help We’ve got a few hydrogen powered buses in Aberdeen - they are great. Urban buses are prime targets for electric or hydrogen power, but at the moment folk don’t want to pay for the investment.
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Post by kris on Jan 14, 2020 14:35:44 GMT
so you have a mini bus to come and collect them. The era of personal transport is coming to an end. We need to stop making things, not work out how we can keep consuming resources at the insane rate we do at the moment. Have you ever lived in the country? You would end up with a mini-bus travelling to the person’s home, taking them where they want to go, then going back to the depot. Then when they want to come home, driving to wherever they are, taking them home, going back to the depot. So instead of a small car journey each way, you would triple the number of miles AND and do it in a big heavy uneconomical minibus. Yea that really is going to save the planet! Public transport only works when lots of people want to make pretty much the same journey at the same time. That doesn’t happen in rural areas. yes I’ve lived in the country. A system similar to the one you mention already exists in a lot of areas.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 14, 2020 14:37:36 GMT
Rotherham/Sheffield had a internet survey on what to do about the NOX levels [they have by law got to reduce them by next year] so Sheffields is charging to enter the city center for polluting vehicles Rotherham has lowered a speed limit and banned diesel buses from a route!! some cities are papering over the cracks and next year the law will tear them a new arsehole!! and the fine will be paid using the council tax payers money!! Which of course will mean a cut in services, it all a joke until one of these execs get jailed for breaking the law nothing will change, as Nemisis says the above oourt case might help We’ve got a few hydrogen powered buses in Aberdeen - they are great. Urban buses are prime targets for electric or hydrogen power, but at the moment folk don’t want to pay for the investment. The issue for hydrogen is steel embritlement and how to produce it cleanly at the moment most comes from natural gas and is very energy intensive to produce along with loads of CO2 production
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 14, 2020 16:03:58 GMT
We’ve got a few hydrogen powered buses in Aberdeen - they are great. Urban buses are prime targets for electric or hydrogen power, but at the moment folk don’t want to pay for the investment. The issue for hydrogen is steel embritlement and how to produce it cleanly at the moment most comes from natural gas and is very energy intensive to produce along with loads of CO2 production But ultimately you can produce it from solar or wind sourced electricity. We now have such a massive amount of wind power in Scotland that I'm sure there is often surplus. The surplus could be used to generate hydrogen by electrolysis, even though it is a fairly inefficient process.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 14, 2020 16:04:26 GMT
Have you ever lived in the country? You would end up with a mini-bus travelling to the person’s home, taking them where they want to go, then going back to the depot. Then when they want to come home, driving to wherever they are, taking them home, going back to the depot. So instead of a small car journey each way, you would triple the number of miles AND and do it in a big heavy uneconomical minibus. Yea that really is going to save the planet! Public transport only works when lots of people want to make pretty much the same journey at the same time. That doesn’t happen in rural areas. yes I’ve lived in the country. A system similar to the one you mention already exists in a lot of areas. But it is not "green".
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Post by peterboat on Jan 14, 2020 16:08:17 GMT
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Post by thebfg on Jan 14, 2020 23:32:15 GMT
Have you ever lived in the country? You would end up with a mini-bus travelling to the person’s home, taking them where they want to go, then going back to the depot. Then when they want to come home, driving to wherever they are, taking them home, going back to the depot. So instead of a small car journey each way, you would triple the number of miles AND and do it in a big heavy uneconomical minibus. Yea that really is going to save the planet! Public transport only works when lots of people want to make pretty much the same journey at the same time. That doesn’t happen in rural areas. yes I’ve lived in the country. A system similar to the one you mention already exists in a lot of areas. When we were on the isle of skye and went walking we would often get the post bus to our start location. Which I thought was a great idea, I believe it's all coming to an end though. Just to point out what Nick is saying. He's right. In rural areas such as Dale's and the highland and islands the car is very important. Where we always stayed if you wanted the shop or a chippie or any food it was a nearly 40 mile round trip. However you could catch a bus. The 52 leaves at 1045 am and takes half an hour. The return journey on a Friday is at 16 20. Any other day and the next bus is 9am the next day except Saturdays and sundays where there is no service. Its quite possible that there is a better service (Well a return journey would constitute a better service) during the summer months but onjave never been to the islands in the summer because of midges. Luckily the pub is across the road.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 15, 2020 8:01:49 GMT
The Post bus and things like Mountain Goat in the Lakes are a help but woefully inadequate especially in the winter. These services would require a much higher level of financial input from government in the form of subsidies to make anything like a reasonable local transport system
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 15, 2020 8:11:05 GMT
Public transport works really well in places like Russia where there is one gigantic factory in the town and everybody works there.
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Post by phil70 on Jan 15, 2020 8:50:22 GMT
I have heard that the Tesla network is fast becoming adequate and is proving to be satisfactory; the car's software will display several options advising where to do a series of rapid top-ups en route. Personally I would only want an electric car for trips about town, which for most private motorists is just fine - shopping, school run, etc., which probably represents (for them) 95% of their mileage. My daughter who lives in central London has just taken delivery of a BMW i3 which will be used for just those purposes, plus hubby driving across town to work on occasion, reserving her Volvo SUV for trips out of town. She can charge the car on her driveway, and her hubby has a charging point in the firm's car park. Yes if the car is exclusively used for short journeys around town then electric is ideal. But most people also want to make occasional longer journeys, and many people can’t afford to have a separate vehicle for long vs short journeys. And of course with London’s great public transport infrastructure, it barely makes any sense to have a car in that city. But unfortunately most other parts of the U.K. don’t have adequate public transport. Which of course if you are a Londoner isn’t an issue, because you can’t conceive of any civilisation outside the M25. Yes, London is always deemed to represent the rest of the country but is in fact a totally different beast. I lived in London and didn't learn to drive till I was 30ish. The reason was that I had a bus stop pretty much outside my house with a bus passing every few minutes plus Bakerloo underground station a 5 mins walk away. No need for a car period. Oh and night buses were very good too. Move on to when Chris and I married and both driving, Chris worked 5 miles away that took 30 to 45 mins and I was a rep and would travel in on the A40 to my patch 12 miles away and would have to leave at 7 to make my first appointment at 9. Phil
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Post by peterboat on Jan 15, 2020 9:26:19 GMT
I am seeing harsh tactics already to get us out of cars, pay and limiting work parking is one method being used, the new VED tax rates are another. I have heard that pickup trucks are going to be classed as cars for VED rates which will hike the running cost up dramatically [we have all seen them big fancy four door 4 wheel drive that pays next to nothing for VED and company car tax] As time goes on we will be forced back onto public transport/bikes/walking, of course another method would be to not allow people from to far afield be employed, both my two daughter and son in law travel over 90 miles daily for work!! This is going down as they are more often working from home, however they could all travel in one car but refuse to do so because its not convenient!! I suppose company cars are going to get expensive shortly as a lot of them are perk cars so I am sure a tax grab will reduce those, but the real problem is our resistance to change we are happy to kill our children and grand children with excuses like its a cycle its to difficult, nobody else will do it, they are just excuses because we dont want to change out lives and would rather die than do so
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 9:37:08 GMT
More significantly perhaps, no country or individual is going to sell their car(s) phones and all other electrical gadgets, to live entirely off grid and carbon free, whilst the rest of the civilised world makes no change at all.
I find it increasingly annoying being lectured about climate issues, by people who regularly fly around the world whilst producing nothing but publicity.
I still struggle to see what the average joe can do about the issue, other than adapt to changes imposed.
Rog
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