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Post by bargemast on Jan 13, 2018 14:02:45 GMT
Β£500/week is a whopping sum just to have a boat parked up on a bit of water, Mr Beacham must have an astronomical salary... Have the other owners of Sharpness Shipyard been notified that the whole world is looking at this business and tut-tutting? That ridiculous weekly berthing charge has been amusing me too. The berthing fees that C&RT were trying to con Alan Roberts into paying via their so-called 'Schedule of Costs' came to Β£5520 for 6 months, which equates to Β£211.74 / week. Don't be so tight Tony, everybody has to make an honest living for looking so well after "Planet" You know just as well as I do that costs do go up a few percent every now an again. Peter.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 13, 2018 14:07:16 GMT
Steve Beachan, C&RT and Shoepiss are clearly a well oiled team of crooks and very experienced boat thieves. I do hope that there will be a lot of sharp sand in their oil this time, and that their smelly practices will come to an abrupt halt. It would be good if an honest judge (if someone like that still exist) will make them pay a fortune to compensate for all the time Alan Roberts has been most dishonestly deprived of his ship, and that "Planet" can return to the mooring in Liverpool. Peter. CRT will never allow Planet back! once bitten twice shy I would think. I wish Tony all the luck in the world with this mess its a vipers nest and no mistake. All CRT had to do was follow due process and everything would have been legal, but they couldnt wait and its going to cost us the license payers a fortune, a right pigs ear and no mistake! People with CRT should be sacked over this and jailed if the crime deserves it
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 13, 2018 14:07:56 GMT
That ridiculous weekly berthing charge has been amusing me too. The berthing fees that C&RT were trying to con Alan Roberts into paying via their so-called 'Schedule of Costs' came to Β£5520 for 6 months, which equates to Β£211.74 / week. Don't be so tight Tony, everybody has to make an honest living for looking so well after "Planet" You know just as well as I do that costs do go up a few percent every now an again. Peter. Does the word "honest" really belong in anything relating to this bunch of crooks ?
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Post by bargemast on Jan 13, 2018 14:17:39 GMT
Don't be so tight Tony, everybody has to make an honest living for looking so well after "Planet" You know just as well as I do that costs do go up a few percent every now an again. Peter. Does the word "honest" really belong in anything relating to this bunch of crooks ? Ask C&RT or Shoepiss about the meaning of the word "honest" as I think that it's meaning must have changed quite a lot in their books. In a previous posting I called: "Steve Beachan, C&RT and Shoepiss are clearly a well oiled team of crooks and very experienced boat thieves" ,
But these terms aren't half of what I really think of them, public money wasters, and waterways neglectors.
Peter.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 13, 2018 17:26:11 GMT
Does the word "honest" really belong in anything relating to this bunch of crooks ? Ask C&RT or Shoepiss about the meaning of the word "honest" as I think that it's meaning must have changed quite a lot in their books. In a previous posting I called: "Steve Beachan, C&RT and Shoepiss are clearly a well oiled team of crooks and very experienced boat thieves" ,
But these terms aren't half of what I really think of them, public money wasters, and waterways neglectors.
Peter.
I agree, Peter, I have difficulty in finding words which fully convey the loathing and contempt I have for Parry and most of the rest of the C&RT management. He once wrote to me, not long after he was appointed CEO in fact, asking why I found it necessary to - quote -"denigrate the Trust" to the extent I do. This was shortly after his 'Legal' and 'Enforcement' teams had set out to deprive me of my boat, and home, in the same way they had inflicted their now customary disproportionate, draconian abuse of their statutory powers on many others previously. My reply to him was fairly comprehensive and forthright, but brought no reaction other than to instruct all his telephone switchboard operators to hang-up immediately if and when I ever made a call to their offices.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 17:27:58 GMT
This bill of sale - has anyone seen it? What if CRT sold the boat while it was still in Liverpool? I probably missed a bit but I've got a funny suspicion that it may all end up being above board despite the loud protestations to the contrary. I'm happy to be wrong about that. And happy for the topic to remain live as well (Cross posted with TD and had not read his post when I added this one)
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 13, 2018 18:33:56 GMT
Steve Beachan, C&RT and Shoepiss are clearly a well oiled team of crooks and very experienced boat thieves. I do hope that there will be a lot of sharp sand in their oil this time, and that their smelly practices will come to an abrupt halt. It would be good if an honest judge (if someone like that still exist) will make them pay a fortune to compensate for all the time Alan Roberts has been most dishonestly deprived of his ship, and that "Planet" can return to the mooring in Liverpool. Peter. CRT will never allow Planet back! once bitten twice shy I would think. I wish Tony all the luck in the world with this mess its a vipers nest and no mistake. All CRT had to do was follow due process and everything would have been legal, but they couldnt wait and its going to cost us the license payers a fortune, a right pigs ear and no mistake! People with CRT should be sacked over this and jailed if the crime deserves it The point is though, Peter, they did follow 'due process' in respect of the unpaid berthing fees/charges that Alan Roberts owed them. They had a bog standard County Court money claim running against him before they seized and towed "Planet" away from Liverpool. No Defence had been filed, Judgment in their favour for the full sum was a foregone conclusion, and in fact they got that Judgment entered while "Planet" was at sea on passage to Sharpness. The true amount owed was less than half the publicized figure of Β£10,000, and it was paid in full within the time limit ordered by the Court. At no time throughout this entire saga has there ever been any cause, or authority, to seize or take possession of "Planet" in lieu of any debt. The seizure and towing away of the ship was never anything to do with the unpaid berthing fees, although that was the impression C&RT deliberately, and successfully, set about creating as a smokescreen to hide the fact that they were depriving Alan Roberts of his ship and towing it away to Sharpness purely out of malice and spite, and in order to inflict a grossly unjust and disproportionate penalty on him of a magnitude that the law would never permit. Such was C&RT's desire to hide this potentially damaging truth from the public in general and from Liverpool in particular, they kept very quiet about the fact that the question of Alan Roberts' debts was already well on the way to being satisfactorily resolved before they 'stole' his ship. To improve their chances of keeping the truth from being exposed in, and circulating round, Liverpool they even resorted to instructing a firm of Solicitors called Wilkin Chapman, a Shoosmiths satellite based in Grimsby, to issue the money claim against Alan Roberts in the Northampton County Court. This whole affair really is run through with dishonesty and corruption on a scale difficult to imagine or believe.
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Post by thebfg on Jan 13, 2018 21:41:37 GMT
I liked his admittance that they held onto boats unroll all the debt was cleared.
That statement would of been handy in a few court cases.
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Post by Andyberg on Jan 13, 2018 21:51:59 GMT
This bill of sale - has anyone seen it? What if CRT sold the boat while it was still in Liverpool? I probably missed a bit but I've got a funny suspicion that it may all end up being above board despite the loud protestations to the contrary. I'm happy to be wrong about that. And happy for the topic to remain live as well (Cross posted with TD and had not read his post when I added this one) It does seem to be just lumbering on, boats been taken CRT / etc say it's theirs, Tony says it's Alan's? Does seem a tad strange that if the boats being ' held against its will' / been stolen / being sold as stolen goods. That the police haven't investigated? Its ok saying Liverpool police weren't interested, if there was any truth in the fact the ship had been 'stolen' surely Gloucester police would be round to establish facts? looks like a lot of 'piss n wind' being emailed to each other, when are we going get a solution?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 14, 2018 7:56:30 GMT
Looks like Louise Ellman (Labour & Co-operative Member of Parliament for Liverpool Riverside) was telling porkies as she's done little about it, if anything at all. This is what she said: "I remain very concerned about the future of lightship Planet and have made strong representations to the Canal and River Trust. These are ongoing." Here's what she said today (13th Jan): "I am extremely concerned about the cuts that the Government have imposed on community pharmacists. Pharmacists are essential to our NHS. They are part of the NHS......" A lot of 'concern', Louise, but not much action, eh? "I am very disturbed by the governmentβs proposals for the Junior Doctors contract." - yes, I'm sure you are, Louise. "I am very concerned about the situation in Yemen" - yes, indeedy, Louise. So am I, so am I... "Yesterday in a debate on local government finance, I challenged the government again on cuts to services in Liverpool." - did you now, Louise? I bet the Government were trembling. Time for your cocoa, and bed by 9pm, Dear! (not worth reading but here's the link: louiseellman.wordpress.com/author/louiseellman/ ) We were in touch with her back in early 2017, . . . about as much use as Lord Lucan's passport ! I got the impression she was having some sort of contest with the Merseyside plod to see who could be the biggest waste of time and space.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 14, 2018 8:04:06 GMT
This bill of sale - has anyone seen it? What if CRT sold the boat while it was still in Liverpool? I probably missed a bit but I've got a funny suspicion that it may all end up being above board despite the loud protestations to the contrary. I'm happy to be wrong about that. And happy for the topic to remain live as well (Cross posted with TD and had not read his post when I added this one) It does seem to be just lumbering on, boats been taken CRT / etc say it's theirs, Tony says it's Alan's? Does seem a tad strange that if the boats being ' held against its will' / been stolen / being sold as stolen goods. That the police haven't investigated? Its ok saying Liverpool police weren't interested, if there was any truth in the fact the ship had been 'stolen' surely Gloucester police would be round to establish facts? looks like a lot of 'piss n wind' being emailed to each other, when are we going get a solution? Police forces don't investigate crimes committed outside of their area. Why would Gloucestershire Police investigate a theft that took place in Liverpool ? On the other hand, they, Gloucestershire that is, would be be interested in someone handling stolen goods or property in their area.
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Post by Andyberg on Jan 14, 2018 8:19:57 GMT
It does seem to be just lumbering on, boats been taken CRT / etc say it's theirs, Tony says it's Alan's? Does seem a tad strange that if the boats being ' held against its will' / been stolen / being sold as stolen goods. That the police haven't investigated? Its ok saying Liverpool police weren't interested, if there was any truth in the fact the ship had been 'stolen' surely Gloucester police would be round to establish facts? looks like a lot of 'piss n wind' being emailed to each other, when are we going get a solution? Police forces don't investigate crimes committed outside of their area. Why would Gloucestershire Police investigate a theft that took place in Liverpool ? On the other hand, they, Gloucestershire that is, would be be interested in someone handling stolen goods or property in their area. So are Gloucester police currently investigating 'someone handling stolen goods' ?
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Post by JohnV on Jan 14, 2018 8:31:11 GMT
On the point of Β£500 per week berthing fees.
In a commercial port on a commercial Quay that sum is not unexpected for a vessel the size of Planet.
The tug I have just been on is racking up Β£100 per day as a visitor in the Camber at Portsmouth.
The charges for short term mooring in a commercial berth are totally different from a long term mooring arrangement.
I was charged Β£72 a day for Sabina H in a marina near Pin Mill ........ as you can imagine, I wasn't there long
(normal sort of charges for Sabina H at 20 metres as a visitor in a marina will be in the order of Β£30 to Β£50 a day)
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 14, 2018 10:30:23 GMT
Police forces don't investigate crimes committed outside of their area. Why would Gloucestershire Police investigate a theft that took place in Liverpool ? On the other hand, they, Gloucestershire that is, would be be interested in someone handling stolen goods or property in their area. So are Gloucester police currently investigating 'someone handling stolen goods' ? Not yet, . . Beacham has got until close of business on Monday (15 January 2018) to produce a copy of the fraudulent Bill of Sale, copies of any other form of relevant documentation and/or agreement(s) provided by C&RT and/or Shoosmiths, and to come up with some positive, workable proposal for returning "Planet" to Liverpool and it's rightful owner, Alan Roberts.
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Post by bargemast on Jan 14, 2018 11:42:48 GMT
So are Gloucester police currently investigating 'someone handling stolen goods' ? Not yet, . . Beacham has got until close of business on Monday (15 January 2018) to produce a copy of the fraudulent Bill of Sale, copies of any other form of relevant documentation and/or agreement(s) provided by C&RT and/or Shoosmiths, and to come up with some positive, workable proposal for returning "Planet" to Liverpool and it's rightful owner, Alan Roberts. It will be hard waiting until then, and even harder waiting for the score of what the Gloucester police will have managed to come up with. I still live in hope that it's not only the ones that have unlimited funds to waste on their dirty businesses and that normally always win because of that. My very best wishes for success are for Tony and Alan. Peter.
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