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Post by larkboy on Oct 14, 2016 17:34:25 GMT
I voted remain and I'm a working class skilled manual worker, I wasn't happy at the result, but the vote was held and the result is what it is. We now need to do the brexit thing asap so that uncertainty is lessened and the markets/economy stabilise. My biggest regret about the process was the sorry shite that was the two campaigns. Both lied, both were negative and both treated the electorate like morons....not good in a supposed democracy. I don't see, post vote, how trading insults is going to make things right with this country, surely we all need to focus and make the best of what's happened.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 14, 2016 17:41:15 GMT
The Brexit situation reminds me very much of the Labour leadership situation. Despite the will of the majority of the Labour Party membership twice endorsing Jeremy Corbyn as leader with an unprecedented mandate the PLP refuse to accept democracy and toe the party line (or clear off to a party that suits their right wing views). Likewise it would appear that despite the will of the population of the UK MPs may attempt to scupper Brexit. One difference though is that May does not have the mandate to carry out Brexit and really should call a general election, especially in light of her speech when Gordon Brown took over from Tory Bliar. I suspect she would win the election with an increased majority, if she called it early, giving her the mandate to govern. Some of the momentum would be lost if May held a general election. It would be another distraction and we wouldn't have moved on, and more time will elapse for dissent to drain away the will to live. I don't honestly think I could vote for the labour party, in the state they're in. I might be tempted to vote Tory for the first time. It's an unpleasant thought, and so I hope not to need to do that. This is quite possibly Mays last job. The amount of energy required to run a general election and then deal with the EU after - not sure it's doable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 17:46:45 GMT
I voted remain and I'm a working class skilled manual worker, I wasn't happy at the result, but the vote was held and the result is what it is. We now need to do the brexit thing asap so that uncertainty is lessened and the markets/economy stabilise. My biggest regret about the process was the sorry shite that was the two campaigns. Both lied, both were negative and both treated the electorate like morons....not good in a supposed democracy. I don't see, post vote, how trading insults is going to make things right with this country, surely we all need to focus and make the best of what's happened. Same here on all aspects of your post! I work for a company that manufactures Cured In Place Pipe linings, we export the world over but are strongest in Europe. I didn't feel that the arguments for exit were strong enough to make me vote like the majority of my co workers - they did so mostly on the migration aspect of open EU borders. As you say, it's done now and the best has to be made of the situation - sadly the parasitic bastard's in the City seem determined to make it as hard as possible.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 14, 2016 18:23:07 GMT
Emma: "When will you wake up? When petrol is £3 a litre? When coffee is £20 the kilo?" Bring back Imperial Gallons and Pounds & Ounces, say I!
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 14, 2016 18:24:11 GMT
The Euro has also dropped like a welly full of stones, against the US Dollar.
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Post by carlt on Oct 14, 2016 19:20:19 GMT
One difference though is that May does not have the mandate to carry out Brexit and really should call a general election, especially in light of her speech when Gordon Brown took over from Tory Bliar. I suspect she would win the election with an increased majority, if she called it early, giving her the mandate to govern. Some of the momentum would be lost if May held a general election. Tough! That's democracy for you. May ridiculed Brown saying he had no mandate and was a coward for not going to the country. May has no mandate, is a coward for not going to the country to get one and, on top of that, she is a hypocrite. Ironically Brown would have probably won if he had called an election just as May would now. Let's hope for the same result if she hangs on until she has to go for an election.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 19:53:39 GMT
Brown was/is a pompous arrogant pratt. The days got darker the minute he moved into number 10. I like Jeremy corbyn, but wouldn't vote labour whilst he heads it up. As with most people, some of his idea's are appealing, but some are off the bloody wall.
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Post by carlt on Oct 14, 2016 20:00:43 GMT
Brown was/is a pompous arrogant pratt. Pretty much how I'd describe May.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 20:04:37 GMT
Brown was/is a pompous arrogant pratt. Pretty much how I'd describe May. Time will tell. For me, it's too early for judgement. If labour hadn't chosen the wrong milliband, I frankly tend to think we wouldn't be in the shit we now find ourselves.
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Post by patty on Oct 14, 2016 20:20:20 GMT
Whats past is past..shit happens and we must all move on or live in the what if's camp. Latter not productive, whether May will prove equal to task remains to be seen. Time as they say will tell. I still wonder who the mythical "they" are.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 20:35:37 GMT
One thing that the last 16 years have done for me is totally bugger up my political landscape. I was born into the Thatcher regime, started to get a feel for politics during the Major years, had nailed my colours to the mast of Blair and new labour then 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq happened. Once Blair got a bit worried he would be found out he handed the reigns over to Brown, A PM no one wanted there followed the inevitable decline of a party that I felt represented me and my ideological outlook, destined to years in the wilderness. In their place we get the spawn of Thatcher, who turn out to be about the worse thing that could happen to the country. Saddled now with these idiots that again no one really wanted things don't look like improving anytime soon. All the opposition parties are pretty much unelectable. The press talk about voter apathy, is it any bloody wonder with the shower of shit across all parties we have to choose from!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 14, 2016 22:19:23 GMT
Our MP strongly campaigned locally for Remain. He supported Remain in my correspondence with him. However, the voters in the areas within his constituency boundaries, all voted for Brexit with significant majorities but I'll bet he supports continuing efforts to get Brexit overturned. I must write to him again to get him to come clean now that his constituents (that he is supposed to represent) have told him clearly what they want. On all other matters he can claim that he is representing the will of his constituents because there is no proof otherwise and his ego and career aspirations will drive him to do what he wants but, in this case, he has irrefutable proof what his constituents want so it would be interesting to see how he wriggles his way out of this one to justify any continuing support for Remain. Roger We are supposed to live in a democracy. We voted "out" and out means out. More people voted for Brexit than have ever voted for anything else in British political history. But when a greedy man makes a huge profit from something, then naturally he is going to continue to support the status quo, no matter how much harm it has caused to those who voted in the referendum. The French had the right idea a couple of hundred years ago. Build guillotines and cut their heads off.
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Post by Higgs on Oct 14, 2016 23:15:41 GMT
Some of the momentum would be lost if May held a general election. Tough! That's democracy for you. May ridiculed Brown saying he had no mandate and was a coward for not going to the country. May has no mandate, is a coward for not going to the country to get one and, on top of that, she is a hypocrite. Ironically Brown would have probably won if he had called an election just as May would now. Let's hope for the same result if she hangs on until she has to go for an election. Democracy is 36.9% of those that voted in the last general election putting into power a government that could not be said is representative of the majority. That's also politics. In another general election, it is likely that another minority will win the day. Such is our first past the post system. It's the convention we follow and the baiting of one politician by another seems to be what's expected and is widely practiced across the floor; mocking and ridiculing. It looks childish, but I guess you need a thick skin in politics.
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Post by Graham on Oct 15, 2016 6:09:58 GMT
I am not sure how old the writers are but how many of you remember the 70s, with interest rate of 15%, the bottom falling out of the pound, withdrawing from the EMF, power going on and off, working with candles, petrol rationing on the edge of being imposed, I still have the coupons. We all got together and the country did not just survive it prospered.
I groaned when when May was elected as Conservative leader seeing a stitch up for those that wanted out. Because I saw a situation where the majority could actually revolt. Since we have had parliamentary government, the government has always known when to bend to the will of the people and remarkably has always found a way to make that will work to the benefit of all.
May I suggest the sooner we stop grumbling about it was unfair, the pound is down etc etc and work together the sooner we will start to prosper and grow again to the benefit of all.
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Post by emma on Oct 15, 2016 7:02:01 GMT
Never.
"Theresa May has told the head of the NHS that it will get no extra money despite rapidly escalating problems that led to warnings this week that hospitals are close to breaking point."
£350 million, huh?
post-truth politics has no place in my world.
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