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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 20:29:46 GMT
Yes she was Irish flag colours when I had her (painted by previous owner) lime green orange and white I remember the DM3 you had - and was a little envious of the extra power. I did a lot of cruising in Tiger all over the place and must say although a DM2 sounds good but I'd have a 3 in a 55ft narrow boat if I was choosing the engine
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Post by bargemast on Oct 29, 2016 11:01:06 GMT
I have lifted the ban on dutch barges A lot of them are very pretty I agree. My cousin has an old Skutsje which is lovely but not much indoor room an very limited headroom. Now that even Dutch built boats are allowed, a few piccies of one of the best known types of Dutch barges a "Tjalk" with some nice wood carving details.
Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 29, 2016 11:18:25 GMT
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Post by Saltysplash on Oct 29, 2016 11:32:02 GMT
Not wanting to risk my life, I'll better keep quiet then.
I do like Humber keels too, and most of all the "Sheffield size" ones.
Also the Leeds & Liverpool shortboats are high on the list of my favorite canal boats.
Peter.
I have lifted the ban on dutch barges A lot of them are very pretty I agree. My cousin has an old Skutsje which is lovely but not much indoor room an very limited headroom. In that case:- One I brought back from Amsterdam to the Medway and lived on for a couple of years Lister JP4 in the engine hole eta cant get the first pic to show
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Post by bargemast on Oct 29, 2016 11:36:27 GMT
Keep on trying, I would love to see more of this barge from Amsterdam (where I was born btw)
Peter.
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Post by Saltysplash on Oct 29, 2016 12:03:11 GMT
there it is hopefully
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Post by bargemast on Oct 29, 2016 12:17:52 GMT
there it is hopefully By the looks of it a former sailing barge of the beginning of the 19 hundreds, and most likely built in the N-E of the Netherlands.
Was she an "Hagenaar" or an "Hasselteraak" ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 12:24:43 GMT
I was thinking Hagenaar but I am no expert on furrin vessels.
Nice boat and JP4 what a lovely engine !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 12:25:20 GMT
Rather an extreme boarding plank !!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 12:29:53 GMT
I was thinking Hagenaar but I am no expert on furrin vessels. Nice boat and JP4 what a lovely engine ! Also could possibly be a steilsteven? There are so many different types of dutch vessels. I do actually know a fair bit about how to identify them. If I were forced to admit I like them then I would say my favourite dutch barge is the Katwijker (sp?) But due to the pointy shape they don't have an awful lot of room for the size of boat.
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Post by Saltysplash on Oct 29, 2016 12:36:11 GMT
there it is hopefully By the looks of it a former sailing barge of the beginning of the 19 hundreds, and most likely built in the N-E of the Netherlands.
Was she an "Hagenaar" or an "Hasselteraak" ?
Peter.
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Top marks, Yes hagenaark sailing barge circ1908 peat carrier converted to power in 1940 when the lister was installed. Was kept in the same family from launch date till the English finally got their hands on it. The owner eddie, skippered us from Amsterdam as far as Nieuwpoort then we took over for the passage across to Blighty...got a bit lively
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Post by bargemast on Oct 29, 2016 12:59:32 GMT
It couldn't have been a "Steilsteven" as this dutch word translated in English means :"Straight stem" which this one clearly doesn't have.
There are indeed so many different types of old dutch vessels that it's very diffecult, even for the dutch, to identify them.
Your spelling of "Katwijker" is perfect, they have the same hull shape of a "Luxemotor", but normally lack the nice sheer of one of these.
Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Oct 29, 2016 13:15:16 GMT
Top marks, Yes hagenaark sailing barge circ1908 peat carrier converted to power in 1940 when the lister was installed. Was kept in the same family from launch date till the English finally got their hands on it.The owner eddie, skippered us from Amsterdam as far as Nieuwpoort then we took over for the passage across to Blighty...got a bit lively.
That must have been an exciting crossing with the Channel a bit lively on a round bilge barge, they like to roll, which they didn't do as much at the time when still under sail, as the wind in the sails would steady their motion. If the Lister was installed as the first engine, this barge must have continued under sails until then. Many of them had been cheaply motorised before with something that didn't make them loose the valuable carco space in the hold, by installing a prop at the side, something that was called a "Zijschroef-installatie", which was already a great improvement to moving the barge with the help of a little pusher "Opduwer" that was used when there was a lack of wind, instead of having the wife and/or children pulling. Here is a photo of a "Zijschroef-installatie" :
Peter.
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Post by Saltysplash on Oct 29, 2016 13:47:36 GMT
Top marks, Yes hagenaark sailing barge circ1908 peat carrier converted to power in 1940 when the lister was installed. Was kept in the same family from launch date till the English finally got their hands on it.The owner eddie, skippered us from Amsterdam as far as Nieuwpoort then we took over for the passage across to Blighty...got a bit lively.
That must have been an exciting crossing with the Channel a bit lively on a round bilge barge, they like to roll, which they didn't do as much at the time when still under sail, as the wind in the sails would steady their motion. If the Lister was installed as the first engine, this barge must have continued under sails until then. Many of them had been cheaply motorised before with something that didn't make them loose the valuable carco space in the hold, by installing a prop at the side, something that was called a "Zijschroef-installatie", which was already a great improvement to moving the barge with the help of a little pusher "Opduwer" that was used when there was a lack of wind, instead of having the wife and/or children pulling. Here is a photo of a "Zijschroef-installatie" :
Peter.
Great info thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 16:02:34 GMT
Yes thanks for that .this is what boating forums are for - sharing knowledge and information about a common interest that being boats. Keep it going And thanks also for pointing out the Stielsteven meaning straight stem I didn't know that. I'm off to find a link to my favourite Katwijker which is for sale
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