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Post by JohnV on Apr 21, 2016 22:53:40 GMT
I wonder how far down the line this retrial will be ? CPS I take it must believe they have a realistic chance of conviction. Apparently the decision was based on evidence that came to light after the previous guilty verdict. The CPS would need to take this evidence into account before deciding whether there's any point in staging a re trial. I'm not very clear on aspects of criminal law, If the CPS decide not to retrial won't that leave a stain hanging over the man in the same way the old scots provision of "not proven" used to ? Surely he needs a trial so that if he is innocent it can be proved
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 7:06:39 GMT
Apparently the decision was based on evidence that came to light after the previous guilty verdict. The CPS would need to take this evidence into account before deciding whether there's any point in staging a re trial. I'm not very clear on aspects of criminal law, If the CPS decide not to retrial won't that leave a stain hanging over the man in the same way the old scots provision of "not proven" used to ? Surely he needs a trial so that if he is innocent it can be proved Its my understanding John that a retrial has been requested by the CPS and is indeed going ahead.We often overlook that in effect it gives the CPS two bites at the cherry rather than just paying out compensation for a wrongful conviction. Even if he is found not Guilty it is by no means certain he will get any compensation.This is what happened in the Jill Dando case which was a disgrace in my opinion
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Post by loafer on Apr 22, 2016 12:14:27 GMT
I'm thinking that opposition fans will have a field day with their chants, if he does reappear on the pitch.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 26, 2016 9:02:16 GMT
the way I see it is the woman was to drunk to consent, that is basically why he was found guilty. But she was sober enough to consent to his mate who had sex with her first, than after a period of time, when some of the alcohol had possibly worn off she was incapable of consent. Also in the court papers it was stated that she apparently blew a clean intoximeter at the station at about 1130 the following morning, if I was hammered as she is supposed to have been I wouldn't have passed a test. And thanks to an American hacker we now also know she bragged about compensation on her facebook page and stated that she would get a new Mini out of it, so she was really traumatised by it all.
it keeps being forgotten that the victim didn't report him for rape. she made no complaint at all against evans and his mate. It was the police who "manufactured" the offense when the girl reported she had had a drink spiked ( not by Evans as he didn't see her in the club ) and lost her phone and bag. of course once she realised she could make money from it ( see her tweets about "making it" and sorting her friends out" ) funnily enough her demeanor changed.
I think they were idiots but it's nothing that doesn't happen up and down the country every weekend where neither party is sober and stupid choices get made.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 26, 2016 9:29:58 GMT
^^^^^^^^^^ Mmmmm very interesting I dont do social media shit at all, and this with luck, will if true sink the lady. Methinks a year in jail would be good for her ego if no retrial is requested or he is found not guilty
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 11:09:52 GMT
^^^^^^^^^^ Mmmmm very interesting I dont do social media shit at all, and this with luck, will if true sink the lady. Methinks a year in jail would be good for her ego if no retrial is requested or he is found not guilty Never happen Peter,no equality when it involves a litigious woman.Fathers for Justice is another example of inequality.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 26, 2016 17:04:59 GMT
If there's no re trial she should not only go to jail, but also have to repay the compensation she bragged about.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 26, 2016 17:10:11 GMT
Agreed. Rape is a dreadful crime but false allegations of rape are equally wicked and should merit a similar punishment.
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Post by ammodels on Apr 26, 2016 21:37:24 GMT
How do you define a false allegation of rape? Plenty of examples of rapists being found not guilty.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 26, 2016 21:40:02 GMT
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Post by ammodels on Apr 26, 2016 21:46:43 GMT
fnar fnar its serious question, what criterion do you use to define it. Is it a not guilty verdict? By the definition of wikipedia the victims of Jimmy Saville would have been charged as the police had the reports but didnt charge him. So I repeat how do you define a false allegation of rape in this context.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 26, 2016 21:55:11 GMT
fnar fnar its serious question, what criterion do you use to define it. Is it a not guilty verdict? By the definition of wikipedia the victims of Jimmy Saville would have been charged as the police had the reports but didnt charge him. So I repeat how do you define a false allegation of rape in this context. I asked one of the feminazis on CWDF once (you can probably find this debate if you can be bothered)... "If a woman agrees to have sex with a man, but then the next day she feels remorse and decides that she no longer wished that she had consented to sex, is that rape?" And she said "yes".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 21:56:25 GMT
fnar fnar its serious question, what criterion do you use to define it. Is it a not guilty verdict? By the definition of wikipedia the victims of Jimmy Saville would have been charged as the police had the reports but didnt charge him. So I repeat how do you define a false allegation of rape in this context. A great question because it can be easier to define in some situations than others
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Post by peterboat on Apr 26, 2016 22:17:25 GMT
fnar fnar its serious question, what criterion do you use to define it. Is it a not guilty verdict? By the definition of wikipedia the victims of Jimmy Saville would have been charged as the police had the reports but didnt charge him. So I repeat how do you define a false allegation of rape in this context. I asked one of the feminazis on CWDF once (you can probably find this debate if you can be bothered)... "If a woman agrees to have sex with a man, but then the next day she feels remorse and decides that she no longer wished that she had consented to sex, is that rape?" And she said "yes". I remember this as it involved me in the thread I was also very nearly in trouble with a lady for the same thing that night she asked me to screw her hard to the bed lucky for her I only had a small screwdriver because the next morning she said it had been all a mistake
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Post by ammodels on Apr 26, 2016 22:28:55 GMT
fnar fnar its serious question, what criterion do you use to define it. Is it a not guilty verdict? By the definition of wikipedia the victims of Jimmy Saville would have been charged as the police had the reports but didnt charge him. So I repeat how do you define a false allegation of rape in this context. I asked one of the feminazis on CWDF once (you can probably find this debate if you can be bothered)... "If a woman agrees to have sex with a man, but then the next day she feels remorse and decides that she no longer wished that she had consented to sex, is that rape?" And she said "yes". I cant and thats just stupid.
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