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Post by peterboat on Nov 23, 2016 9:14:11 GMT
Rotherham hospital did a large op on a Pakistani it was an arranged op agreed to be paid for, the op only had at best a 50% chance of success. It failed the wonderful rotherham NHS never chased up the payment even though the family were willing to pay, its down to piss poor managers If the patient has health insurance what is the problem with getting them to pay for the treatment? I have health insurance for when abroad if I need treatment they will pay what is the problem with that? Or do we let our NHS go down the pan due to idiots allowing wanting it to be abused because "its a shining example to the world"
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 23, 2016 9:30:35 GMT
So what happens to people born and brought up in the UK who have fallen on hard times and are the dregs of society, homeless, tramps, mentally ill etc with no form of paper ID or address. Presumably we just let them die? Not at all, the issue is with "Health Tourists" those that come specifically for ELECTIVE TREATMENT not emergency treatment. There are huge numbers that come here to give birth, have dental treatment, bariactric surgery etc etc. These are not emergency procedures' Phil Ok but is this actually true, or is it just daily mailesque whipping up of frenzy and xenophobia? Where are the hard facts? As has been said, you can't just wander in to a hospital and demand bariactric surgery etc. you need to be referred by your GP. If you are heavily preggers you can't fly. And dental treatment is not free and almost certainly cheaper elsewhere. It just smacks of a lot of scaremongering and we run the risk of spending more on treating the "problem" than would actually E saved.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 23, 2016 9:36:40 GMT
So what happens to people born and brought up in the UK who have fallen on hard times and are the dregs of society, homeless, tramps, mentally ill etc with no form of paper ID or address. Presumably we just let them die? Nobody said that, but if foreigners knew they would be asked for ID it would put off many of the spongers. It cannot be that difficult for at least one person in the line of clerks, nurses and doctors that see you before you get treatment to identify most people who are clearly foreign, or likely to be foreign, from their behaviour and language, and if they have no ID then alarm bells should be ringing. Having spent half my lifetime managing and administering staff and resources (albeit in an entirely different field) in many different countries, setting down clear guidelines to be followed while performing their jobs, I would not find it difficult to require my team to query patients who may not be eligible, and ring the alarm bell when needed. Isn't the whole matter about staff motivation and training? That would been seen as racist - picking on people to justify themselves just because of the way they look and speak. Unless we degenerate into some sort of fascist police state, its a non-starter. We all have to endure fatuous airport security since there is no selection based on appearances. Which is a shame since based on current evidence, if we only stopped people who looked Muslim to screen, we would be just as safe with much less hassle and cost. But that is a non-starter in the U.K. too, although it's what they do in places like Israel.
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Post by dyertribe on Nov 23, 2016 9:42:53 GMT
I have been told by the staff in a children's hospital of cases where a hereditary disease runs in the family of families returning home to their non E U country on an extended holiday and returning with a newish baby which was apparently born to them whilst away. The child received treatment and then disappeared back home! DNA testing, used in the diagnosis of the disease rooted out a few of these cases but how many others have slipped through the net?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 9:43:45 GMT
I would not wish anyone who NEEDS treatment to be refused, and on a personal level I believe we would all agree with that.
What kind of elective treatment can you just turn up at any NHS hospital to receive?
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 23, 2016 9:48:13 GMT
I have been told by the staff in a children's hospital of cases where a hereditary disease runs in the family of families returning home to their non E U country on an extended holiday and returning with a newish baby which was apparently born to them whilst away. The child received treatment and then disappeared back home! DNA testing, used in the diagnosis of the disease rooted out a few of these cases but how many others have slipped through the net? I'm sure there are a few of these cases but as I've said, is it costing as much as it would cost to carry out ID checks on every patient? Does ANYBODY actually know, or is it just xenophobic scaremongering?
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 23, 2016 12:16:47 GMT
It's to detract from the NHS's real problem of under funding and shift the blame and attention onto Johnny foreigner, rather than potential voters. Slime balls.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 23, 2016 13:05:38 GMT
It's to detract from the NHS's real problem of under funding and shift the blame and attention onto Johnny foreigner, rather than potential voters. Slime balls. Correct!
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 23, 2016 14:44:11 GMT
Under this goverment, for the first time since it's inception, NHS spending per head of the population has gone down.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 15:21:54 GMT
Under this goverment, for the first time since it's inception, NHS spending per head of the population has gone down. that's only because there are a lot of jonny foreigners over here getting free treatment
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 23, 2016 15:28:03 GMT
Under this goverment, for the first time since it's inception, NHS spending per head of the population has gone down. that's only because there are a lot of jonny foreigners over here getting free treatment How do you know that?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 15:32:04 GMT
If anyone is interested in finding out more about the facts about Overseas Patients and recovery of costs (as much as they are known), the National Audit Office (NAO) full report can be found using this link; www.nao.org.uk/report/recovering-the-cost-of-nhs-treatment-for-overseas-patients/The report is 56 pages but you can skim read it i.e. Fig 2 on Page 15 gives a simplified overview of the Overseas Charging Regulations.
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 23, 2016 15:53:38 GMT
that's only because there are a lot of jonny foreigners over here getting free treatment How do you know that? It's irrelevant anyway. If spending per head of population is the number that's gone down that takes no account of what it was spent on.
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 23, 2016 15:54:51 GMT
They probably spend more on silencing whistle blowers which is more worrying.
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Post by peterboat on Nov 23, 2016 15:59:43 GMT
Under this goverment, for the first time since it's inception, NHS spending per head of the population has gone down. The problem is 360k more people arrive than leave and the ones that leave are more than likely still on the books we are doomed I tell you doomed
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