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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 13:38:37 GMT
Ok I will be starting looking at boats in the spring (all being well), what tips can you give me on how to recognize whether the fit out is good or not, especially looking for tips about electrics and plumbing rather than decoration/layout but tips about storage etc welcome.
I'll be looking for a fairly bog standard NB in the region of £50k if that helps narrow down your answers.
Thanks
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Post by peterboat on Nov 27, 2016 14:35:01 GMT
Hi Andy a quality fitter who has been around for a long time is a good basis to start. My first boat was an ex share boat and was a shell by Pinder and a fit out by Black Prince. It was basic but well put together not bad for storage and access to all pipework and electrics easy..
Second boat Johnathon Wilson Little Brown Mouse shell brilliant fitout very good but electrics and plumbing very well done but awkward to get to. The stretch was done by Jonny and the fitout by Anthony M, the fitout is fantastic and access for plumbing and electrics neat and easy to get to. My rear portholes have sliding covers [my idea] and looks and works well with no lost space.
Floor wise you want marine ply so it doesnt bounce chipboard and MDF are a no no
You want hatches to water pumps and into bilges.
Solis wood and ply is good for what you see it will last MDF and chipboard might not
Electrics neat and 12 voly and 240 volt separate is the ideal plumbing clipped and lower than the electrics for me is good
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Post by bodger on Nov 27, 2016 15:10:02 GMT
Solis wood and ply is good for what you see it will last MDF and chipboard might not YEAH BUT .............. oak faced ply is commonly used, and the surface veneer is often paper thin - beware if you ever need to sand the surface. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 27, 2016 16:04:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 16:05:13 GMT
1.) Floor wise you want marine ply so it doesnt bounce chipboard and MDF are a no no 2.) You want hatches to water pumps and into bilges. 3.) Electrics neat and 12 voly and 240 volt separate is the ideal plumbing clipped and lower than the electrics for me is good Thanks Peter, I've edited your post just to make it easier for me to reply; 1) I can recognise the difference between ply/chipboard and MDF - is there anything that I could do to differentiate between ply and marine ply or is the difference unlikely to occur (i.e. if ply it would be almost certain they used marine) 1a) Any advice of where to inspect the floor would be good, I'm presuming that this would be anywhere that I can get access to - but happy to be given guidance 2) Bilges I understand and pumps in accessible areas I understand, what other pumps might be there? Shower and Water and waste pumps? 3) Advice on how to recognise that the 12 v and 240v are separate (and what separate means) most welcome. I know these might be detailed and novice questions, if I was buying a house I wouldn't need to ask. The reason for asking now is that I have a fairly limited time-span (roughly 12 months) between now and sorting/selling the house and moving - otherwise I'm in deep poo-poo land and worrying about pump outs or cassette will be the least of my worries  |
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 27, 2016 16:27:41 GMT
How about making a list of questions and thinking about what you want, and then having a look at many boats - you could do this by going to a sales place such as Whilton Marina, or if any Thunderboaters have boats of the length/width you want then you could maybe visit them. Looking at many boats you'll gradually get ideas.
Perhaps off target here, I would hate to have to design a house or boat and then live in it as I have no imagination for that kind of thing and any faults would be down to me. We were lucky to stumble across our boat which we liked straight away (it was just a boat we borrowed for 6 days), and all we had to do was to 'tidy it up'. We don't live on the boat apart from on holidays (10 weeks in a row in Summer). Would it be better to spend more money on the boat and then less doing it up, or less on the boat and more doing it up?
Our shower pump is in a cupboard (three screws to open the cover) next to the shower, and our water pump is under the cassette loo - just slide a wooden support forwards - dead easy. The water pump on our boat is for the shower and kitchen taps and water to the Morco instant water heater.
So... are you thinking of moving aboard a boat? Narrow or wide?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 17:29:23 GMT
How about making a list of questions and thinking about what you want, and then having a look at many boats - you could do this by going to a sales place such as Whilton Marina, or if any Thunderboaters have boats of the length/width you want then you could maybe visit them. Looking at many boats you'll gradually get ideas. I have many questions but boat hunting needs to wait whilst I concentrate on sorting the house (a very significant job). Once the house is on the market things like Whilton Marina will become part of the boat hunt. Perhaps off target here, I would hate to have to design a house or boat and then live in it as I have no imagination for that kind of thing and any faults would be down to me. We were lucky to stumble across our boat which we liked straight away (it was just a boat we borrowed for 6 days), and all we had to do was to 'tidy it up'. We don't live on the boat apart from on holidays (10 weeks in a row in Summer). Would it be better to spend more money on the boat and then less doing it up, or less on the boat and more doing it up? I'd love to have a sail away (I think I know exactly what I want inside) but time span / not wanting anymore projects for a while / recognising that until you have lived on a boat you don't really know. I'm likely to need to make compromises, my questions here will be mainly about understanding the 'technical' consequences of those compromises. Our shower pump is in a cupboard (three screws to open the cover) next to the shower, and our water pump is under the cassette loo - just slide a wooden support forwards - dead easy. The water pump on our boat is for the shower and kitchen taps and water to the Morco instant water heater. Thanks So... are you thinking of moving aboard a boat? Narrow or wide? Yep planning on moving onto a boat. Narrow and in the 57ft range. Intention is to CC (properly just in case anyone wants to start) for first couple of years, after that I'll see how it goes. Will need to earn some money but not a massive amount after the first couple of years - money from the house and a small widowers pension should see me going for a while.Thanks for the reply. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 17:48:38 GMT
Unless you can see an edge, how can you tell the difference between veneered ply, veneered blockboard and veneered mdf, I don't think you can.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 27, 2016 17:52:36 GMT
One little point.
Marine ply is not necessary for internal flooring/fittings.
The standards for "marine ply" are concerned with the types of wood used, the type of glue, the lack of any voids (Cut out and filled with wood as opposed to filler as in lower grades)
It is essential to use marine ply for hulls and superstructure of boats but it is over the top for internal fittings
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Post by peterboat on Nov 27, 2016 18:00:51 GMT
I agree John the few boat builders I Know like to use marine ply for the floor because of damp issues and the sheer cost of stripping out the boat to sort it if it goes wrong internal bulkheads arnt so bad.
Steve who has been boatbuilding for years wouldnt dream of using veneered MDF on a wall ceiling etc but on cupboard doors etc has no problems as long as it is sealed both sides. His preference is to use ply though as long as the owner will pay for it.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 27, 2016 18:34:09 GMT
I would still be inclined to buy a second hand boat that's been tried and tested and is in very good condition, rather than something new. Let's all be nice now to Forumidiot as it's evident now that she'll be visiting us all on her rounds smiley fox  |
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 27, 2016 18:44:56 GMT
Hold on - have I got you mixed up with someone else.... goes to check... stand by for edit.... Dog on Tour - 1 woman - 1 bike  |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 27, 2016 19:03:31 GMT
1.) Floor wise you want marine ply so it doesnt bounce chipboard and MDF are a no no 2.) You want hatches to water pumps and into bilges. 3.) Electrics neat and 12 voly and 240 volt separate is the ideal plumbing clipped and lower than the electrics for me is good Thanks Peter, I've edited your post just to make it easier for me to reply; 1) I can recognise the difference between ply/chipboard and MDF - is there anything that I could do to differentiate between ply and marine ply or is the difference unlikely to occur (i.e. if ply it would be almost certain they used marine) 1a) Any advice of where to inspect the floor would be good, I'm presuming that this would be anywhere that I can get access to - but happy to be given guidance 2) Bilges I understand and pumps in accessible areas I understand, what other pumps might be there? Shower and Water and waste pumps? 3) Advice on how to recognise that the 12 v and 240v are separate (and what separate means) most welcome. 1a) Under the bed is where the bilge inspection hatch is likely to be. 2) The shower pump should be quite near the shower, turn the pump on and you should be able to hear it. It may be under the toilet. There will also be a pump near the water tank to pump water up, waste water normally drains by gravity i.e no pump. 3) 12v systems will work when the inverter isolator switch is turned off, 240v systems won't. |
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 27, 2016 19:08:30 GMT
It's worth thinking about just how much fit out there actually is. I've seen boats that have a bathroom enclosed in ply, some kitchen units, a loose bed and bugger all else.
Or ones with built in storage under properly upholstered seating, wardrobes and other hand crafted cupboards.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 19:28:29 GMT
I've deleted some of my posts because they were about me and Foxy having a bit of fun. No problem with that but as this is in the new to boating part I thought it was best to delete my posts. I'll delete this post as well or I'm quite happy for the post to get into a discussion about deleting posts.
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