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Post by kris on Dec 2, 2016 18:14:41 GMT
Ref the OP It will be interesting to see how this goes. It has been a long established arrangement that because boats over 7ft nominal beam have a limited cruising range that the license fee thing doesn't really present a problem. Then you get the New Boat Co etc marketing wide beam narrow boats (wtf wide..narrow.. ??) as places to live and suddenly loads of then turn up. This is when people get agitated. I went to a London waterways forum and I got the impression there are a lot of people agitated about widebeans and online moorings. These people appear to have influence. Not sure if this is an IWA twat problem ? your right not just about the water used in a lock, but also about it being an iwa twat problem.
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Post by kris on Dec 2, 2016 18:16:23 GMT
i don't mind them really, I'll get one when I can't cope with a proper boat anymore.😀 To be fair, they are all like women regardless of type:- fickle, hard work, expensive, temperamental, frustrating - it makes you wonder why we bother! Then, when you least expect it all comes together and works properly so you forget all the heartache that goes into the relationship it all becomes worthwhile for me everytime I untie my ropes and go somewhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 19:41:06 GMT
A heavier boat going up in a lock has already displaced more water in the lower pound (so it's slightly higher). So you will need LESS water from the higher pound to equalise the level in the lock to open the upper gates. Conversely, a heavier boat going down in a lock has already displaced more water in the upper pound (also slightly higher). So you will need to drain MORE water from the lock to equalise the level in the lock to open the lower gates. So I don't think there is any difference in water wastage between a heavy (high displacement) boat and a light boat provided you go up and down the same lock. The only slight complication is that a heavier boat is more likely to cause water loss over water spillover points (weirs) in a pound. Probably less than a speeding boat though! Anyway, heavy boats are a good thing. When water levels are low, their extra displacement keeps us afloat...
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Post by Jim on Dec 9, 2016 12:13:00 GMT
You are forgetting wear and tear, the widebeam, having a larger surface area in contact with the water, wears away more water than a smaller boat. Obvious! That water then has to be replaced. Can I join the IWA now? I have the IQ for it.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 9, 2016 12:29:17 GMT
Simplest way is to revert to a very old system based on "Thames Tonnage" and charge licence fees on a per ton basis This would suit the IWA very well as it is totally inaccurate (having nothing to do with weight) and makes fat boats have to pay proportionally a much higher figure than they would otherwise
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 15:40:44 GMT
I sometimes wonder if a toll system would zort it. Charges based on how popular it is (basic supply and demand economics)..a man at the gauging lock with some sort of algorithm or whatsit type of thing for calculating the boat's displacement and charging them accordingly per hour they are on the waterway.
I'm sure it'll go back to that system eventually.
Its not rocket science.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 9, 2016 15:58:59 GMT
"Dear Foxy and Witchy, Thank you for supporting The Inland Waterways Association throughout the past year. Your annual subscription in now due. As the leading charity for all Britain's inland waterways (hand on, I thought CRT was THE 'charity' ) , IWA is run, and almost entirely funded, by our members."
Letter in the post today. £39 Joint/Family subscription. I have to work over half a day to earn that. * Should we continue to be members of the IWA? What do Thunderboaters think?
When we first got our boat I thought it would be fair to donate something to the IWA as they seem to provide volunteers to help with the canals, and to promote canals and boaty stuff in general. Since then I have read that they are Evil impersonated as they want to help CRT scrap on-line moorings and get everyone shoved into marinas. Should we continue to support the IWA? I know little about them. Do they have good and honest intentions? We have not put the IWA sticker into our window, as I think that kind of thing is a bit naff, as with our RCR Titanium sticker (better than Gold).
* I count 33 fucking bus stops.
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Post by Saltysplash on Dec 9, 2016 16:07:43 GMT
Ive not been a member since 1987
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 16:09:27 GMT
Discussion about the IWA might be worth a new thread if anyone can bear to add one.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 9, 2016 16:12:48 GMT
Discussion about the IWA might be worth a new thread if anyone can bear to add one. What's wrong with the IWA? I've never investigated this. I have read Tom Rolt's book 'Narrow Boat'. On Amazon someone describes him as a 'racist' because he used the word 'coon'. Are the IWA associated with the Koo Klux Klan, then?
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Post by Saltysplash on Dec 9, 2016 16:17:23 GMT
They are just a bunch of blinkered philistine pig-ignorants,non-creative garbage.... They sit there on Their loathsome spotty behinds squeezing blackheads, not caring a tinker's cuss for the struggling boater. The excrement,... whining hypocritical toadies with their colour TV sets and their Tony Jacklin golf clubs and their bleeding masonic secret handshakes. You wouldn't let me join, would you, you blackballing bastards. Well I wouldn't become a Freemason now if you went down on your lousy stinking knees and begged me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 16:22:17 GMT
I suspect in Tom Rolts day coon may well have been more acceptable as a term to refer to a person of a particular racial descent. Times change. The furriners start filling the country up and breeding like rabbits etc etc so it becomes less acceptable to complain about them.
Anyway I was unaware of a racist angle to the iwa I just thought it was the good leisure v liveboard argument with a few people stuck in the middle.
Why people moan about seeing boats moored on the canal I do not know but equally I don't know why people stick their heads out the side doors and shout slow down.
If everyone could just get along nicely and relax and enjoy a nice cup of tea then it would all be most pleasant.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 9, 2016 16:26:50 GMT
I was a member of the IWA for many years as it was really the only thing that stood between the BWB and wholesale destruction of the waterways as a system. I was never greatly engaged with the IWA apart from paying my dues and dutifully attending area meetings and such as I was much too busy boating (or maybe I should say knocking the rust off an old boat to see where the holes were that needed plugging)
Much later on .... suppose 90's ? I let my membership lapse as I just had the feeling it was becoming (or had become) like some yacht clubs, full of self important little gits that had plenty of time, after being retired from some middle management position, and were at a loss if they weren't telling other people what to do. ....... it just seemed so up it's own ...... .(remember John, Family forum)
I think that's the problem with lots of societies. At the start they are populated by enthusiastic people who get stuck in, and only are officials because no other bugger is doing it. At this stage they are very egalitarian. Gradually as you get other types of people joining especially those who like being on committees and having titles. Then the ethos changes.
How do you get back to that crusading, enthusiasm ? I don't know that you can
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 16:41:45 GMT
They are just a bunch of blinkered philistine pig-ignorants,non-creative garbage.... They sit there on Their loathsome spotty behinds squeezing blackheads, not caring a tinker's cuss for the struggling boater. The excrement,... whining hypocritical toadies with their colour TV sets and their Tony Jacklin golf clubs and their bleeding masonic secret handshakes. You wouldn't let me join, would you, you blackballing bastards. Well I wouldn't become a Freemason now if you went down on your lousy stinking knees and begged me. You've obviously met les etheridge and Gren mesham 😂😂😂
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 9, 2016 17:13:53 GMT
So what is it about Les Etheridge and Gren Mesham?
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