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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 18:16:23 GMT
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Nick Brown met with CRT yesterday. This is his summary of that meeting.
"Meeting with CRT in MK: Head of Legal (Jackie Lewis), another of the Legal Team (Tom Deards), Head of Boating (Mike Grimes) and Matt Symonds.
We are still mulling over the conclusions but suffice to say the meeting didn't go well they conceded very little (if anything).
They are sticking to their interpretation of what is "bona fide navigation" and are not minded to compromise. In fact they said that their professional standards requires them to do this because they believe themselves to be right.
But they have confirmed:
- that it is not required to engage in a progressive journey.
- that 10 miles is not enough (this is per the Davies case).
- that there is still no clarity on what is enough.
- that they accepted that "locality" and "area" are not used as terms and only "place" is valid.
- that they are still not moving in relation to kids in school.
- they will not be issuing 6-month restricted licences (except in exceptional circumstances) from 1-5-2016.
- that the consequence is that they will be issuing many Section 8s thereafter.
- that they will be dribbling these out and this appears to be a deliberate policy to prevent a "class action".
- that it is accepted that NBTA will be supporting the Section 8 defendants and so we are both lining up for a god-almighty fight.
- that they don't have an Equality Officer after all.
- that they don't have an equality policy after all.
- that they will only provide "reasonable adjustments" to people with disabilities for (possibly short) finite periods of time.
- that they do not accept that they have to honour requisitions from people with disabilities for reasonable adjustments if they don't consider them reasonable.
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NBTA
Apr 22, 2016 19:22:06 GMT
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Post by kris on Apr 22, 2016 19:22:06 GMT
Oh well game on
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Apr 22, 2016 19:25:23 GMT
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Post by canaldweller on Apr 22, 2016 19:25:23 GMT
This is an extract from an email that was sent to me from CRT:
"We’ve been looking at our sighting records and they suggest that your boat ****** index ***** has been moored in the same general area for more than 14 days"
Which seems to contradict their only "place" is valid
Tom
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Apr 22, 2016 19:36:49 GMT
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Post by kris on Apr 22, 2016 19:36:49 GMT
Is it the first time you have had one of these emails Tom?
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Apr 22, 2016 20:21:53 GMT
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Post by canaldweller on Apr 22, 2016 20:21:53 GMT
Is it the first time you have had one of these emails Tom? Hi Kris. Yes, not had one before. In case you were wondering, we did not overstay at any time. Tom |
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Apr 22, 2016 20:43:41 GMT
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Post by kris on Apr 22, 2016 20:43:41 GMT
Is it the first time you have had one of these emails Tom? Hi Kris. Yes, not had one before. In case you were wondering, we did not overstay at any time. Tom I believe you haven't overstayed you don't need to get emails like this. If it's the first time and you haven't overstayed then I'd say just ignore it. If you want you can ask for your sighting record. |
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Apr 22, 2016 22:15:14 GMT
Post by ammodels on Apr 22, 2016 22:15:14 GMT
I think the DDA is very difficult to bring in with regards to disability on canals, the reasonable adjustment definition is fuzzy at best in most circumstances but on a canal it takes on a whole different level again. If they make reasonable adjustments in a few places will they be required to do so nationally? To what level will those RA's be expected to meet?
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Post by Higgs on Apr 23, 2016 9:50:20 GMT
- that they don't have an Equality Officer after all. - that they don't have an equality policy after all.
I can understand why they don't have an equality office/officer/policy, because they'd be the least likely of an organisation to want one. They are, IMO, already flouting consumer rights. They're not likely to want some kind of equality to get between them and what they can get away with. Boaters are going to have to come up with a voice that they (CRT) can't refuse. Boaters, on the whole, are going around completely oblivious to CRT's underhanded manipulation of their wallets. CRT also do not respect the importance of home-and-boat in many boaters lives.
If you're becoming less physically able to do the boating, CRT just want you to clear off into some marina and still pay them. There aren't enough residential moorings to meet demand for them. They've no idea of equality. Equality is a swear word in CRT's vocabulary.
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Apr 24, 2016 17:57:35 GMT
Post by peterboat on Apr 24, 2016 17:57:35 GMT
Our navigation the S & SYN is disable friendly until you get to Swinton lock whereapon the 2 disabled points on the lock landing are used by a disabled charity!! You couldnt make it up could you
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Apr 24, 2016 18:03:33 GMT
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Post by kris on Apr 24, 2016 18:03:33 GMT
- that they don't have an Equality Officer after all. - that they don't have an equality policy after all.
I can understand why they don't have an equality office/officer/policy, because they'd be the least likely of an organisation to want one. They are, IMO, already flouting consumer rights. They're not likely to want some kind of equality to get between them and what they can get away with. Boaters are going to have to come up with a voice that they (CRT) can't refuse. Boaters, on the whole, are going around completely oblivious to CRT's underhanded manipulation of their wallets. CRT also do not respect the importance of home-and-boat in many boaters lives.
If you're becoming less physically able to do the boating, CRT just want you to clear off into some marina and still pay them. There aren't enough residential moorings to meet demand for them. They've no idea of equality. Equality is a swear word in CRT's vocabulary.
I agree totally Higgs, it's about time boaters, stood up and supported the lifestyle that in some cases has given them so much. Regards kris |
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Post by tadworth on May 1, 2016 15:03:44 GMT
Any campaign is just going to be pissing in the wind, CRT have no parlimentary oversight, or consequences for what ever they do, they have free rein to lie, and break their own bylaws, and make up their own ultra vires rules as they go along. Whatever they agree to can not be enforced so its pointless asking.
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May 1, 2016 16:34:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 16:34:00 GMT
Any campaign is just going to be pissing in the wind, CRT have no parlimentary oversight, or consequences for what ever they do, they have free rein to lie, and break their own bylaws, and make up their own ultra vires rules as they go along. Whatever they agree to can not be enforced so its pointless asking. I disagree with you completely,they CRT will only ride roughshod over the law till they are properly challenged in Court.NBTA and their list of issues,this is where I do agree with you,they are the wrong ones. As the NBTA is perhaps the most active maybe its up to boaters right across the Piece to start to organise and have some input to create an agenda to take us all forward. |
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