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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 8:18:54 GMT
Ran into an old boating friend last night,he was moored south of Fenny Stratford sometime last week
and got a knock on the door from the EO for that area who was holding a sheaf of paperwork.
My friend is in his late sixties and like most of us has a few medical issues and on account of these has
a dispensation regarding his cruising pattern so he is in proximity to the local hospital and his doctor etc.
Anyway it turns out the EO was there to check if circumstances had changed as the dispensation was by
now a year or more old.My friend fearing it was going to be withdrawn assured the EO his circumstances
hadn't changed and the EO said great we just wanted to check your circumstances hadn't worsened and
after a brief chat he then departed.My friend was obviously delighted that CRT seem to have a duty of care
policy to the elderly and infirm boaters and was grateful for their " check up "
Has anyone else any experience of this? is it a policy they employ? or was there an underhand motive insofar
as if he couldn't comply because of his condition worsening they would have moved down the Enforcement Route.
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Post by Higgs on Apr 24, 2016 9:22:16 GMT
Ran into an old boating friend last night,he was moored south of Fenny Stratford sometime last week and got a knock on the door from the EO for that area who was holding a sheaf of paperwork. My friend is in his late sixties and like most of us has a few medical issues and on account of these has a dispensation regarding his cruising pattern so he is in proximity to the local hospital and his doctor etc. Anyway it turns out the EO was there to check if circumstances had changed as the dispensation was by now a year or more old.My friend fearing it was going to be withdrawn assured the EO his circumstances hadn't changed and the EO said great we just wanted to check your circumstances hadn't worsened and after a brief chat he then departed.My friend was obviously delighted that CRT seem to have a duty of care policy to the elderly and infirm boaters and was grateful for their " check up " Has anyone else any experience of this? is it a policy they employ? or was there an underhand motive insofar as if he couldn't comply because of his condition worsening they would have moved down the Enforcement Route.
It's possibly a difficult thing to justify in a court - taking someone to task who is infirm or in need of hospital access. Wouldn't show CRT in the best light to gain sympathy from a judge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 9:24:47 GMT
Ran into an old boating friend last night,he was moored south of Fenny Stratford sometime last week and got a knock on the door from the EO for that area who was holding a sheaf of paperwork. My friend is in his late sixties and like most of us has a few medical issues and on account of these has a dispensation regarding his cruising pattern so he is in proximity to the local hospital and his doctor etc. Anyway it turns out the EO was there to check if circumstances had changed as the dispensation was by now a year or more old.My friend fearing it was going to be withdrawn assured the EO his circumstances hadn't changed and the EO said great we just wanted to check your circumstances hadn't worsened and after a brief chat he then departed.My friend was obviously delighted that CRT seem to have a duty of care policy to the elderly and infirm boaters and was grateful for their " check up " Has anyone else any experience of this? is it a policy they employ? or was there an underhand motive insofar as if he couldn't comply because of his condition worsening they would have moved down the Enforcement Route.
It's possibly a difficult thing to justify in a court - taking someone to task who is infirm or in need of hospital access. Wouldn't show CRT in the best light to gain sympathy from a judge.
Agreed,you would like to think my Friend was "visited"with the best of intentions,its just the present climate I guess |
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Post by Bad-Bitch on Apr 24, 2016 13:46:29 GMT
Ran into an old boating friend last night,he was moored south of Fenny Stratford sometime last week and got a knock on the door from the EO for that area who was holding a sheaf of paperwork. My friend is in his late sixties and like most of us has a few medical issues and on account of these has a dispensation regarding his cruising pattern so he is in proximity to the local hospital and his doctor etc. Anyway it turns out the EO was there to check if circumstances had changed as the dispensation was by now a year or more old.My friend fearing it was going to be withdrawn assured the EO his circumstances hadn't changed and the EO said great we just wanted to check your circumstances hadn't worsened and after a brief chat he then departed.My friend was obviously delighted that CRT seem to have a duty of care policy to the elderly and infirm boaters and was grateful for their " check up " Has anyone else any experience of this? is it a policy they employ? or was there an underhand motive insofar as if he couldn't comply because of his condition worsening they would have moved down the Enforcement Route. Yes this is the normal policy for Boaters with genuine medical condition's CRT are very lenient when it come's to genuine illness. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 13:49:11 GMT
Ran into an old boating friend last night,he was moored south of Fenny Stratford sometime last week and got a knock on the door from the EO for that area who was holding a sheaf of paperwork. My friend is in his late sixties and like most of us has a few medical issues and on account of these has a dispensation regarding his cruising pattern so he is in proximity to the local hospital and his doctor etc. Anyway it turns out the EO was there to check if circumstances had changed as the dispensation was by now a year or more old.My friend fearing it was going to be withdrawn assured the EO his circumstances hadn't changed and the EO said great we just wanted to check your circumstances hadn't worsened and after a brief chat he then departed.My friend was obviously delighted that CRT seem to have a duty of care policy to the elderly and infirm boaters and was grateful for their " check up " Has anyone else any experience of this? is it a policy they employ? or was there an underhand motive insofar as if he couldn't comply because of his condition worsening they would have moved down the Enforcement Route. Yes this is the normal policy for Boaters with genuine medical condition's CRT are very lenient when it come's to genuine illness. Thats reassuring to hear and welcome to the Forum |
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Post by tadworth on Apr 24, 2016 15:07:51 GMT
I have heard, and seen the emails, that north of Fenny lock the EO Glyn Bumford is asking for "detailed and specific" medical evidence, and claiming overstays are now "authorised" or "not authorised", which is another attempt to invent powers they do not have, quite a clever and sneaky one just to slowly change peoples perception of what the law is. What the end result of overstaying when not "authorised" by them is I don't know yet, its certainly a blocked account though, as that boater has found out, and you can't renew your licence with a block on.
I have asked Mr Bumhead to clarify this, but I'm still none the wiser, they use a kind of politicians speak that has no definite meaning.
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Post by ammodels on Apr 24, 2016 15:19:25 GMT
Unless the EO has medical training and is licenced by the BMA he has no right to judge what is detailed or specific medical evidence. imo.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 24, 2016 17:35:13 GMT
I after reading the thread thought that it was a kind and thoughtful action by CRT
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Post by kris on Apr 24, 2016 17:41:56 GMT
Ran into an old boating friend last night,he was moored south of Fenny Stratford sometime last week and got a knock on the door from the EO for that area who was holding a sheaf of paperwork. My friend is in his late sixties and like most of us has a few medical issues and on account of these has a dispensation regarding his cruising pattern so he is in proximity to the local hospital and his doctor etc. Anyway it turns out the EO was there to check if circumstances had changed as the dispensation was by now a year or more old.My friend fearing it was going to be withdrawn assured the EO his circumstances hadn't changed and the EO said great we just wanted to check your circumstances hadn't worsened and after a brief chat he then departed.My friend was obviously delighted that CRT seem to have a duty of care policy to the elderly and infirm boaters and was grateful for their " check up " Has anyone else any experience of this? is it a policy they employ? or was there an underhand motive insofar as if he couldn't comply because of his condition worsening they would have moved down the Enforcement Route. Yes this is the normal policy for Boaters with genuine medical condition's CRT are very lenient when it come's to genuine illness. You would hope so, and maybe this is the start of Crt taking it's "duty of care" seriously,for the increasing numbers of elderly boaters afloat on its waters. Regards kris |
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Post by JohnV on Apr 24, 2016 19:14:32 GMT
I after reading the thread thought that it was a kind and thoughtful action by CRT Agree
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 19:30:11 GMT
I have heard, and seen the emails, that north of Fenny lock the EO Glyn Bumford is asking for "detailed and specific" medical evidence, and claiming overstays are now "authorised" or "not authorised", which is another attempt to invent powers they do not have, quite a clever and sneaky one just to slowly change peoples perception of what the law is. What the end result of overstaying when not "authorised" by them is I don't know yet, its certainly a blocked account though, as that boater has found out, and you can't renew your licence with a block on. I have asked Mr Bumhead to clarify this, but I'm still none the wiser, they use a kind of politicians speak that has no definite meaning. The example I started the thread about is already a doctor certified situation. CRT have agreed a cruising plan to suit the boaters need but the worry was as follows 1) If the boaters situation regarding health had deteriorated which it hasn't, was this a preliminary visit to force him to find a mooring? It turns out that it is a well established according to Good Gurl,goodwill gesture by CRT so top marks to them for that. |
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Post by tadworth on Apr 25, 2016 12:01:39 GMT
Who is deciding what is "authorised" and what is not ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 12:26:49 GMT
Who is deciding what is "authorised" and what is not ? Other than providing CRT with a doctors letter as my friend has done I don't know their procedures, bearing in mind Doctor Patient confidentiality,not very much I guess? You are I believe talking about "authorised "in other situations such as Breakdowns etc. My friend has simply an agreed cruising pattern,he still covers pretty much the 20 miles recommendation and moves every 14 days so thats slightly different as he isn't requesting an authorised overstay. |
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Post by Bad-Bitch on Apr 25, 2016 18:33:46 GMT
Who is deciding what is "authorised" and what is not ? CRT have a "welfare guidance" that they follow, i dont have a web link as it's on my pc but here is a taster. . The Guidance The Welfare Guidance applies to: 1.) Canal and River Trust colleagues and volunteers who may come into contact with vulnerable customers with specific reference to vulnerable boaters 2.) Boaters licenced to navigate on those canals and rivers that we care for and who have been identified as vulnerable. We may, at our discretion, extend the support to the family members of those boaters if the actions of the family member has a direct effect on the boater in need. 3.) Any person within the Trust who has a concern about the welfare of our customers on the Trust’s waterways. . What is a Vulnerable Boater “Boaters may be vulnerable in different ways, for example due to disability, age, illness or financial circumstances, and for short or long periods. Other factors can lead to people becoming vulnerable, such as not being fit for work, domestic abuse, drug and alcohol abuse, gambling, learning difficulties or mental health needs. . Referral criteria Any boater who may be vulnerable can be referred for advice and/or signposted to support by colleagues. Self-referral, either from the boater or a referral from a member of their family, will also be accepted. Typical trigger criteria that may lead to a referral are as follows (this is not an exhaustive list): Self-Referral A complaint or concern raised by others Non Compliance of Terms and Conditions Behaviour causes Canal and River Trust a concern and could cause a risk to themselves or others. |
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