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Post by Telemachus on Dec 19, 2016 16:42:58 GMT
If they come inside your boat .... ...then better be sure to have plenty of kitchen roll. Oh, the mess!
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Post by NigelMoore on Dec 20, 2016 12:17:32 GMT
Whatever you decide to do in your crusade against CRT, please don't fuck it up for the rest of us. My livelihood depends on this licence. I want to respond to this as though directed at me – whether it was or not is unimportant; many do take that view, including CaRT as they claimed before the Court last September. I am conducting no crusade against CaRT, anymore than I ever conducted a crusade against BW. In the first place, I have no inclination to let myself be pushed into a reactionary position, defining myself by responses to ill-behaviour on the part of others. I also have other things to do in life. My responses here and elsewhere to questions and assertions, are by way of sharing information and giving assistance only [and for the development of my own understanding]. To the extent that any of this could be considered a campaign at all, it would be a campaign FOR CaRT, not against it – it would have to be for CaRT’s benefit long term, to have the diseased elements excised and an executive appointed who were devoted to preserving, maintaining and improving our priceless national asset for the benefit of its users, and to pursuing this goal with integrity and fairness, demonstrating the same adherence to law that its customers ought to follow.
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Post by junior on Dec 20, 2016 13:09:12 GMT
Apologies Nigel, it was directed at Tamworth/Onion Bargee.
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Post by NigelMoore on Dec 20, 2016 13:32:12 GMT
Apologies Nigel, it was directed at Tamworth/Onion Bargee. Absolutely no need for apologies junior, I just took the opportunity to post a necesary clarification of my position.
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Post by tadworth on Dec 20, 2016 17:40:02 GMT
CRT illegally refused to licence my boat, then when we proved them wrong they started a campaign to try to revoke my licence by every trick they could think of, most of it in breach of the law, and their own terms and conditions, that took a further 126 days to actually have the licence without the illegal threat of seizure under an expired court order, ( contempt of court ? ) no apology or admission of guilt from CRT yet.
You are right that I am pissed off, and will be challenging every illegal act from CRT in future. They forced me to start reading up on the law, and finding out how much they were lying about their powers, and now they will reap what they have sown.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 20, 2016 18:14:30 GMT
CRT illegally refused to licence my boat, then when we proved them wrong they started a campaign to try to revoke my licence by every trick they could think of, most of it in breach of the law, and their own terms and conditions, that took a further 126 days to actually have the licence without the illegal threat of seizure under an expired court order, ( contempt of court ? ) no apology or admission of guilt from CRT yet. You are right that I am pissed off, and will be challenging every illegal act from CRT in future. They forced me to start reading up on the law, and finding out how much they were lying about their powers, and now they will reap what they have sown. Of course, if you hadn't been a thorn in their sides whilst you kept your boat on the canals and declined to licence it for a prolonged period, they might have treated you differently. In this world you tend to reap what you sow. aka karma! anyway whilst you are chuntering, muttering and spluttering about that, I'll say that of course CRT should comply with the law. But so should you. It does seem a bit rich that you are vociferous and vengeful about CRT's failing whilst forgiving yourself your own failings. Oh! Was that more chuntering, muttering and spluttering?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 21:43:01 GMT
Chuntering, there's a word that doesn't get used as much as it deserves.
think of the connotations if you are in the habit of dropping your aitches
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Post by tadworth on Dec 20, 2016 22:54:44 GMT
CRT illegally refused to licence my boat, then when we proved them wrong they started a campaign to try to revoke my licence by every trick they could think of, most of it in breach of the law, and their own terms and conditions, that took a further 126 days to actually have the licence without the illegal threat of seizure under an expired court order, ( contempt of court ? ) no apology or admission of guilt from CRT yet. You are right that I am pissed off, and will be challenging every illegal act from CRT in future. They forced me to start reading up on the law, and finding out how much they were lying about their powers, and now they will reap what they have sown. Of course, if you hadn't been a thorn in their sides whilst you kept your boat on the canals and declined to licence it for a prolonged period, they might have treated you differently. In this world you tend to reap what you sow. aka karma! anyway whilst you are chuntering, muttering and spluttering about that, I'll say that of course CRT should comply with the law. But so should you. It does seem a bit rich that you are vociferous and vengeful about CRT's failing whilst forgiving yourself your own failings. Oh! Was that more chuntering, muttering and spluttering? Stick your opinion up your arse.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 20, 2016 23:30:39 GMT
How can you have a proper argument with someone when they take 5 hours to reply? It isn't a slow bicycle race y'know!
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Post by TG on Dec 21, 2016 11:34:37 GMT
You can run an internet business from your boat but as soon as you advertise on your boat, even a sign in the window, you are deemed to be trading. As Junior says don't fuck it for those of us who don't have an issue and earn our livilhoods this way.
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Post by tadworth on Dec 21, 2016 12:30:41 GMT
You can run an internet business from your boat but as soon as you advertise on your boat, even a sign in the window, you are deemed to be trading. As Junior says don't fuck it for those of us who don't have an issue and earn our livilhoods this way. What do you mean "fuck it" ? Are you afraid trading licences will be no longer offered because of this thread ? Do you realise if that was the case you would still be free to trade anyway ? Do you want a legal or illegal licence as a basis for your business ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 13:07:50 GMT
I see what you mean but I don't think that would happen. It seems more likely that the result of too much "boat rocking" would simply be more regulation and increased costs for small boat based traders.
That's what I read into junior and TGs comments anyway.
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Post by tadworth on Dec 21, 2016 13:27:03 GMT
I see what you mean but I don't think that would happen. It seems more likely that the result of too much "boat rocking" would simply be more regulation and increased costs for small boat based traders. That's what I read into junior and TGs comments anyway. Why would that follow ? finding out the legal basis of the licence doesnt affect the fee, or the terms and conditions. Stop panicking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 13:40:24 GMT
You can run an internet business from your boat but as soon as you advertise on your boat, even a sign in the window, you are deemed to be trading. As Junior says don't fuck it for those of us who don't have an issue and earn our livilhoods this way. What do you mean "fuck it" ? Are you afraid trading licences will be no longer offered because of this thread ? Do you realise if that was the case you would still be free to trade anyway ? Do you want a legal or illegal licence as a basis for your business ? Both TG and junior are relatively new to the "cut", so are not I suspect privy to the history, or complexity of trading licences. One of the problems encountered when questioning any of CRT's management of the waterways, is the sheer apathy shown by many boat owners and users. Most tend to either fear, ignore, or simply look after their own interests, (having no real care for the waterways overall). I don't generally like to stereotype, but it is a fact. Very few get past having a "little moan" on the Internet, or social media, whilst missing the fact that safety is in numbers, and a bigger number together could in fact change CRT's behaviour. This leaves a minority doing all the running, (sadly with very little support) and bearing the brunt of not only CRT's condemnation, but also the majority of boat owners whom the minority are actually trying to protect. I don't see in the near future any change to this position, and feel that boating on the inland waterways will slowly die away over time, along with the real characters who initiated, and attempted to continue it's resurgence. The UK’s biggest "theme park" is just around the corner.
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 21, 2016 13:47:12 GMT
It could be a bit like the roving winter mooring permit thing, which would have suited a whole bunch of CCers. But because some self-righteous smart arse pointed out to CRT they they were probably "illegal", he deprived everybody else from the benefit. Nice.
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