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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 15:16:15 GMT
Its no surprise really they used to get subsidies before the EU, so afterwards they will be able to grow crops that they want rather than what pays the best subsidy. Wallers recently spent a few weeks doing a survey for the EU, they sent it in only to be told that it was inaccurate according to the satellite survey.....................In other word eurocricy gone mad!!!! why bother doing it in the first place bunch of tossers unemployed ones I truly hope Please point out for me the farmer who wants to grow what he likes instead of what pays the greater subsidy and I will point out an idiot.There is no such farmer.
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Post by Higgs on Apr 30, 2016 16:37:40 GMT
Not paying a fair price is a problem. Farmers can't keep maintaining unprofitable businesses. Whilst they are, the supermarkets are still supplied. Dairy farmers do have to watch the effects of their close European neighbours. If the UK farmers understandably give up the investment put into their dairy herds, over many years, the EU is there. But, we lose the capacity to supply milk.
I am wary of these farmers reasons for a majority being in favour of Brexit,I suspect its for their own good rather than that of the country Farmers want to survive and profit. The very same motives that are given as reasons to stay in. Now who at the moment is in any position to judge whether one or the other will lead to what they want and/or also benefit the country. There's a mixture of subjective and objective reasons for peoples' rationale.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 16:45:08 GMT
I am wary of these farmers reasons for a majority being in favour of Brexit,I suspect its for their own good rather than that of the country Farmers want to survive and profit. The very same motives that are given as reasons to stay in. Now who at the moment is in any position to judge whether one or the other will lead to what they want and/or also benefit the country. There's a mixture of subjective and objective reasons for peoples' rationale.
This thread refers to Chicken Farmers,the main farming unions are urging members to remain in Europe. Farmers voting to leave a guaranteed pay cheque ? utter bollocks. Which is why I kept on asking you all WHY ?
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Post by Higgs on Apr 30, 2016 16:55:51 GMT
Not paying a fair price is a problem. Farmers can't keep maintaining unprofitable businesses. Whilst they are, the supermarkets are still supplied. Dairy farmers do have to watch the effects of their close European neighbours. If the UK farmers understandably give up the investment put into their dairy herds, over many years, the EU is there. But, we lose the capacity to supply milk.
So to clarify what your saying,membership of the EU doesn't effect milk prices for farmers,Greedy Supermarkets do. The only effect the Eu can have is to fill the gap left by closure of British Dairies on account of Greedy British Supermarkets. No one has stated so far why these farmers want Brexit?
I'm sure there would be reasons given that are in the public domain. I think they've briefly mentioned opinions on the farming programme, in the morning. A programme I have the dubious pleasure to be up in time to hear, even though I'm busy getting ready for work.
All competition effects price.
Membership of the EU opens up easy markets to source alternative supplies. But, we know from the news that the farmers are having trouble making ends meet, and they have big investments in equipment and livestock. Supermarkets are a problem, and the dairies have few alternatives to supply such quantities of milk. It might be that only mega dairies could survive and the smaller ones going to the wall. It's the pressure of supply and competition. The dairies, though, do not seem to be getting the money it costs for production.
Supermarkets have been accused of using milk as a loss leader in order to attract customers into the store. They're all cut throat, and do not do what they could to address the pricing of milk. 89p for 2litres. it's unbelievably cheap, and it isn't paying farmers enough to pay for the production.
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Post by Higgs on Apr 30, 2016 17:03:51 GMT
Farmers want to survive and profit. The very same motives that are given as reasons to stay in. Now who at the moment is in any position to judge whether one or the other will lead to what they want and/or also benefit the country. There's a mixture of subjective and objective reasons for peoples' rationale.
This thread refers to Chicken Farmers,the main farming unions are urging members to remain in Europe. Farmers voting to leave a guaranteed pay cheque ? utter bollocks. Which is why I kept on asking you all WHY ?
They're voting for what they think will keep them in business. The chicken farmers, then, are not listening to the Union's advice. I don't think any would vote for something they think would lead to 'cutting their own throats'. They can't all be insane.
There maybe animal welfare issues in the EU. ??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 17:03:55 GMT
So to clarify what your saying,membership of the EU doesn't effect milk prices for farmers,Greedy Supermarkets do. The only effect the Eu can have is to fill the gap left by closure of British Dairies on account of Greedy British Supermarkets. No one has stated so far why these farmers want Brexit?
I'm sure there would be reasons given that are in the public domain. I think they've briefly mentioned opinions on the farming programme, in the morning. A programme I have the dubious pleasure to be up in time to hear, even though I'm busy getting ready for work.
All competition effects price.
Membership of the EU opens up easy markets to source alternative supplies. But, we know from the news that the farmers are having trouble making ends meet, and they have big investments in equipment and livestock. Supermarkets are a problem, and the dairies have few alternatives to supply such quantities of milk. It might be that only mega dairies could survive and the smaller ones going to the wall. It's the pressure of supply and competition. The dairies, though, do not seem to be getting the money it costs for production.
Supermarkets have been accused of using milk as a loss leader in order to attract customers into the store. They're all cut throat, and do not do what they could to address the pricing of milk. 89p for 2litres. it's unbelievably cheap, and it isn't paying farmers enough to pay for the production.
Higgs farmers leaving the EU would be like Turkeys voting for an early christmas,it won't happen. I got involved in the thread out of incredulity because I couldn't see why that would ever be the case. I check on Farmers Weekly and its Chicken Farmers that want out,noone else. I feel really let down because I was really hoping that was the case,what a shot in the arm for BREXIT that would have been. You also note I hope that I haven't even touched on Farmers use of Cheap Labour from Europe.
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Post by Higgs on Apr 30, 2016 17:12:20 GMT
I'm sure there would be reasons given that are in the public domain. I think they've briefly mentioned opinions on the farming programme, in the morning. A programme I have the dubious pleasure to be up in time to hear, even though I'm busy getting ready for work.
All competition effects price.
Membership of the EU opens up easy markets to source alternative supplies. But, we know from the news that the farmers are having trouble making ends meet, and they have big investments in equipment and livestock. Supermarkets are a problem, and the dairies have few alternatives to supply such quantities of milk. It might be that only mega dairies could survive and the smaller ones going to the wall. It's the pressure of supply and competition. The dairies, though, do not seem to be getting the money it costs for production.
Supermarkets have been accused of using milk as a loss leader in order to attract customers into the store. They're all cut throat, and do not do what they could to address the pricing of milk. 89p for 2litres. it's unbelievably cheap, and it isn't paying farmers enough to pay for the production.
Higgs farmers leaving the EU would be like Turkeys voting for an early christmas,it won't happen. I got involved in the thread out of incredulity because I couldn't see why that would ever be the case. I check on Farmers Weekly and its Chicken Farmers that want out,noone else. I feel really let down because I was really hoping that was the case,what a shot in the arm for BREXIT that would have been. You also note I hope that I haven't even touched on Farmers use of Cheap Labour from Europe. Ok, I've just lifted this from Farmer's Weekly.
"The analysis suggests this reflects the fact they operate in an unsupported market, so have less to lose than most in terms of farm support. Indeed, 67% of those surveyed believed they would be better off in a post-Brexit world.
The sector is also heavily influenced by EU regulation, both in respect of animal welfare and environmental control, which may be making some producers more inclined to leave the EU. Of those surveyed, 57% believed there would be less red tape outside the EU."
Unfortunately, I have to go now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 17:14:17 GMT
Higgs farmers leaving the EU would be like Turkeys voting for an early christmas,it won't happen. I got involved in the thread out of incredulity because I couldn't see why that would ever be the case. I check on Farmers Weekly and its Chicken Farmers that want out,noone else. I feel really let down because I was really hoping that was the case,what a shot in the arm for BREXIT that would have been. You also note I hope that I haven't even touched on Farmers use of Cheap Labour from Europe. Ok, I've just lifted this from Farmer's Weekly.
"The analysis suggests this reflects the fact they operate in an unsupported market, so have less to lose than most in terms of farm support. Indeed, 67% of those surveyed believed they would be better off in a post-Brexit world.
The sector is also heavily influenced by EU regulation, both in respect of animal welfare and environmental control, which may be making some producers more inclined to leave the EU. Of those surveyed, 57% believed there would be less red tape outside the EU."
Unfortunately, I have to go now.
Thats what I read too,take care,hear from you soon.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 30, 2016 17:14:25 GMT
Yes the government will give some subsidies like previous, also we produce good free range pork we are known for it around the world, due to the ban on dealing with Russia 35% of our pork market has gone overnight which means pig farmers are struggling. Leave the EU and sell the Russians the pork I say. Markets for our produce are out there plus we will trade for their produce. Peter I know all that bollocks from Farming Today on Radio 4,please put me right on the episode I obviously missed, and if you don't know the answer then please hazard a guess,will it be more subsidy for farmers in or out of the EU? because I reckon having more say over their produce is a red herring waved in front of a gullible public We have some of the most efficient farmers in the world the french well lets say they are very small and laid back. The current EU system rewards them for that, dont you think that british farmers look at the system and think I am paying for that? I wouldnt be a farmer for all the tea in China its long hours bloody hard work and very poorly rewarded. I rather think that they want a level playing field one that rewards them for their productivity
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 17:16:11 GMT
Peter I know all that bollocks from Farming Today on Radio 4,please put me right on the episode I obviously missed, and if you don't know the answer then please hazard a guess,will it be more subsidy for farmers in or out of the EU? because I reckon having more say over their produce is a red herring waved in front of a gullible public We have some of the most efficient farmers in the world the french well lets say they are very small and laid back. The current EU system rewards them for that, dont you think that british farmers look at the system and think I am paying for that? I wouldnt be a farmer for all the tea in China its long hours bloody hard work and very poorly rewarded. I rather think that they want a level playing field one that rewards them for their productivity If you read above Peter I think you will find the title of the thread is not as clear cut as we would wish
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Post by smileypete on Apr 30, 2016 21:20:06 GMT
There's a world of difference between say a landowning arable farmer and a tenant dairy farmer.
Seems some farmers get good money for growing nothing on their fields and others get jack and are shafted by the supermarkets.
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Post by phil70 on May 1, 2016 13:43:38 GMT
I welcome Farmers support for Brexit.I wasn't aware that EU milk is major problem for UK dairies, I thought it was British Supermarkets unwillingness to pay a fair price that was the problem ?
Not paying a fair price is a problem. Farmers can't keep maintaining unprofitable businesses. Whilst they are, the supermarkets are still supplied. Dairy farmers do have to watch the effects of their close European neighbours. If the UK farmers understandably give up the investment put into their dairy herds, over many years, the EU is there. But, we lose the capacity to supply milk.
Supermarkets are also responsible for the demise of the Milkman, when I had a round I could buy it cheaper in supermarket than I could buy it wholesale
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Post by Higgs on May 1, 2016 15:07:43 GMT
Not paying a fair price is a problem. Farmers can't keep maintaining unprofitable businesses. Whilst they are, the supermarkets are still supplied. Dairy farmers do have to watch the effects of their close European neighbours. If the UK farmers understandably give up the investment put into their dairy herds, over many years, the EU is there. But, we lose the capacity to supply milk.
Supermarkets are also responsible for the demise of the Milkman, when I had a round I could buy it cheaper in supermarket than I could buy it wholesale
I remember how many corner shops there used to be. In the area I lived in as a boy, most corners had a shop. There's no doubt these corner shops were more convenient, but they could not compete with the supermarkets. Back in the days of the corner shop, there were fewer cars. A trip into town by bus on a Saturday to do the big shopping was the order of the day.
It is a bit like the EU. As a Country, we're closer to the government, but we are almost powerless to stop the EU from undermining the country's significance to its 'locals' and, its corner shop government. Presidents, Chancellors and Prime Ministers will just be managers, in an EU. The rest of us will be the shop floor. The manager of one country will have to go to the acting head of the group and ask permission to make little changes to suit its 'employees'. No! will come the response, we are not individual now. If you do not live the collective ideal, we'll have to remove you as party head and seek to find someone else who is more pliable. Just make sure your employees get the message.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 10:40:19 GMT
Supermarkets are also responsible for the demise of the Milkman, when I had a round I could buy it cheaper in supermarket than I could buy it wholesale
I remember how many corner shops there used to be. In the area I lived in as a boy, most corners had a shop. There's no doubt these corner shops were more convenient, but they could not compete with the supermarkets. Back in the days of the corner shop, there were fewer cars. A trip into town by bus on a Saturday to do the big shopping was the order of the day.
It is a bit like the EU. As a Country, we're closer to the government, but we are almost powerless to stop the EU from undermining the country's significance to its 'locals' and, its corner shop government. Presidents, Chancellors and Prime Ministers will just be managers, in an EU. The rest of us will be the shop floor. The manager of one country will have to go to the acting head of the group and ask permission to make little changes to suit its 'employees'. No! will come the response, we are not individual now. If you do not live the collective ideal, we'll have to remove you as party head and seek to find someone else who is more pliable. Just make sure your employees get the message.
Absolutely no control over our own affairs.Even the staunchest advocate of the EU who posts here regularly can only offer more of the same with a Yes Vote.As working men we are finished without Brexit.
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