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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 15:06:40 GMT
Don't you realise that we are on the same side ? we need to hear from these people,they need to make a stand but its like the Grand Old Duke Of York, you march to the top of the hill,turn around and noone is there.No EO would try that on with me or someone like Jenlyn or Kris or indeed the majority of Boaters here.The answer to your quote is this,"Ok Mr EO I shall have a letter from my Doctor in CRT,s hands by tomorrow." I can't understand your position on this, you have claimed every position there is, you wouldn't allow the EO to try that, then your saying the answer is do what the EO says and get a letter detailing all your private medical info, which is inapropriate for an EO to see, which is what the EO has demanded in THIS case. When I put stuff in quotes it means I have the actual copy of it, and know who it has been sent to. I have enough trouble with CRT to start inventing it ! My position is clear and hopefully on the 10th we can have a chat to clarify it.I didn't say to do anything the EO says,I just pointed out you can't just expect to park a boat up for an overstay and don't tell anyone.You don't have to provide Medical Details only a letter which says " Mr Tadworth is under my Medical Care and is unfit to move his boat for the next two weeks ".This is what people are doing and overstaying and getting agreed cruising patterns on the strength of it. The trouble is your all about confrontation,you only know one method and it has taken you nowhere.I am not here to denigrate you or anyone else regarding what you do, but if an EO rolls up with a letter thinking he is going to prevent me from overstaying when I have a genuine reason I simply put the ball back in his court.Its that old saying " I am too old a dog to get hit over the head with a pup "
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Post by tadworth on May 5, 2016 16:52:47 GMT
I can't understand your position on this, you have claimed every position there is, you wouldn't allow the EO to try that, then your saying the answer is do what the EO says and get a letter detailing all your private medical info, which is inapropriate for an EO to see, which is what the EO has demanded in THIS case. When I put stuff in quotes it means I have the actual copy of it, and know who it has been sent to. I have enough trouble with CRT to start inventing it ! My position is clear and hopefully on the 10th we can have a chat to clarify it.I didn't say to do anything the EO says,I just pointed out you can't just expect to park a boat up for an overstay and don't tell anyone.You don't have to provide Medical Details only a letter which says " Mr Tadworth is under my Medical Care and is unfit to move his boat for the next two weeks ".This is what people are doing and overstaying and getting agreed cruising patterns on the strength of it. The trouble is your all about confrontation,you only know one method and it has taken you nowhere.I am not here to denigrate you or anyone else regarding what you do, but if an EO rolls up with a letter thinking he is going to prevent me from overstaying when I have a genuine reason I simply put the ball back in his court.Its that old saying " I am too old a dog to get hit over the head with a pup " He won't prevent you from overstaying, he can refuse to "authorise" it, and he can refuse to accept the medical evidence, for whatever reason he likes, I have posted the quotes from the emails where an EO has refused to accept a basic letter from a GP, and demanded "detailed and specific medical evidence" or the overstay will not be " authorised". It is not hypothetical, it has actually happened ( if you believe me ). If the overstay is not "authorised" then you are on the enforcement list whether you like it or not. Who are you going to appeal to ?
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Post by peterboat on May 5, 2016 17:09:50 GMT
John's boat is still at Sprotborough on an autherised overstay Billy one of the LOckies told me it was ok as he had checked it over to make sure nobody had interfered with it. I am with you CDS most of the CRT lads I chat to cant do enough to help maybe its a Northern thing? I know that action is being taken against two piss takers in the next few days so it should be interesting to see what as I cruise past.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 17:12:03 GMT
I would in that case bypass the EO and go straight above his head,I would be escalating it through as many avenues as I could and exploring legal channels because the CRT are acting illegally.These are the cases where Boaters should be making a stand in conjunction with the NBTA and other parties.I can provide the details of a Boater who has a letter from his doctor as I have described and has an agreed cruising pattern.Another had an agreed overstay on the 48hr mooring south of Stoke Bruerne last week while he was in Hospital. These cases you talk about are clearly winnable in a legal setting and this is what I mean by having an input on a credible Agenda with an organisation such as the NBTA taking it forward.These incidents need to be collated and treated in the same way the Police would treat a crime,time, place,paperwork raised ,.etc. We have to try and establish a framework for taking these things forward encompassing points of contact etc.Is all of this possible to do,this is the question?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 17:23:02 GMT
John's boat is still at Sprotborough on an autherised overstay Billy one of the LOckies told me it was ok as he had checked it over to make sure nobody had interfered with it. I am with you CDS most of the CRT lads I chat to cant do enough to help maybe its a Northern thing? I know that action is being taken against two piss takers in the next few days so it should be interesting to see what as I cruise past. I don't know Peter if they are Pisstakers or not,but if things are as Tadworth says they are then this is clearly contrary to what is enshrined. Is it a divide and conquer policy by CRT ? Do these people being refused overstays or indeed if its only one person,have a history and a name of being pisstakers and is it colouring the EO,s judgement.This is what I am trying to draw from Tadworth. Why aren't these wronged boaters on here making their predicament known,who are they and where are they.Tadworth receives the same questions on the other channel and sadly its the same scenario.
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Post by loafer on May 5, 2016 19:06:19 GMT
Last year I had a severe attack of gout and could hardly walk. I was on the Nantwich VMs at the time, so I said I'd move off there and overstay a week on the empty towpath just north of there. Absolutely no problem with the local EO, no letters required. That was probably because he saw me hobbling to him, sweating with the effort involved and the obvious pain.
That works well.
(I haven't had gout since, nor have I overstayed anywhere.)
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Post by tadworth on May 5, 2016 20:26:02 GMT
I have asked CRT to clarify all this. Until then all we know for sure is that in CRT world a 14 day overstay has to be "authorised" by an EO, and any more than that a supervisor, and in the real world the law does not grant them any of this.
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Post by tadworth on May 8, 2016 15:05:34 GMT
Please read this standard enforcement ticket dated 19th April, note the wording of the top tick box on there if you don't think CRT are setting up charging for all overstays, including "unauthorised" illness or breakdowns.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 17:29:37 GMT
I see this thread still rumbling on across the road at CWDF,You have to admire onionbargee for his perseverance,he even had Dave Mayall on giving the benefit of his wisdom.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 19:06:49 GMT
Mayall is a prick.
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Post by tadworth on May 30, 2016 19:44:46 GMT
There will be no overstaying for any reason in the future, unless you pay, that is my prediction. This "authorised" overstay balls is the start of that right being eroded away. It will be illegal, but you won't be able to do anything about it unless you fund a court case.
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Post by kris on May 31, 2016 6:16:20 GMT
There will be no overstaying for any reason in the future, unless you pay, that is my prediction. This "authorised" overstay balls is the start of that right being eroded away. It will be illegal, but you won't be able to do anything about it unless you fund a court case. Which is pretty much Crt's policy about a lot of things. " we can get away with it until someone challenges us legally"
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Post by tadworth on Jun 4, 2016 20:23:49 GMT
I believe the situation is that if you overstay, even if you tell CRT at the time, and they request evidence but you don't provide it or they reject it, your overstay is then classed as " unauthorised", that is then considered a breach of the terms and conditions, and you may only be offered a 6 month licence next time around, which probably depends on how long or how many times you overstay. The statutory right is now irrelevant in CRT's own procedures, they decide this now, though there is no basis in any legislation for this or right of appeal to ensure fairness, its just left to an EO, depending on what side of the bed he got out of.
I have contacted CRT a few times about this now, but they wont answer the questions i have asked, just the usual whaffle to fill out a reply without saying anything. They really do not want to make this public it seems. I am waiting on a reply from the information officer, it not coming under FOI .
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Post by tadworth on Aug 25, 2016 4:22:01 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 25, 2016 6:41:23 GMT
Who is Mr Brooks?
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