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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 9:47:42 GMT
You could have an insert turned up out of one these plastics that are used for bearings. If you had it turned exactly it could be push fit. As long of course as there is the clearance. It wont cure a thin tube, but, as you say, a quick and dirty way would be to use a plastic tube and some sikaflex to seal it either end. Obviously, we dont know if foxy's is in a state or not, depends what thickness tube was used when it was built, he could well be worrying needlessly. I've a rough and ready job to reclaim a worn shaft log on the Ormelite, for the time being the prop will come off, a bronze flanged sleeve will slide on to the shaft to take up the wear and will be held in place with grub screws. No time to strip it all and replace shafting, log etc. It will keep it in service for a good while yet.
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Post by kris on Feb 22, 2017 10:07:27 GMT
You could have an insert turned up out of one these plastics that are used for bearings. If you had it turned exactly it could be push fit. As long of course as there is the clearance. It wont cure a thin tube, but, as you say, a quick and dirty way would be to use a plastic tube and some sikaflex to seal it either end. Sometimes these quick repairs last along time.
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Post by Jim on Feb 22, 2017 14:55:24 GMT
With the boat in dry dock, stuff a rag between tiller shaft and tube at the bottom, pour in blacking, drain, let dry, repeat. Tube painted. Or is that too easy.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 22, 2017 16:55:06 GMT
With the boat in dry dock, stuff a rag between tiller shaft and tube at the bottom, pour in blacking, drain, let dry, repeat. Tube painted. Or is that too easy. Yes, I suggested something of that nature. No photos from the boatyard yet. I always feel a bit odd asking for work to be done whilst we're away, like those people who turn up at an Embassy or fancy party and have someone to park their car. I'd like to be there on site. Have had this on the list of repairs for a long time. Why has no-one ever mentioned you should paint the inside of this tiller shaft tube? Never saw anything about it anywhere - not on Youtube blacking videos...... ...perhaps at next dry dock we can have this shaft out and shove a camera down it, you know, like wot they do with people's alimentary tracts. checking for signs of rust in the human stomach.
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Post by canaldweller on Feb 22, 2017 17:29:04 GMT
The bit usually referred to as the tiller arm is the brass pole you steer with that slots on to the tiller. Never heard it used to describe any of the underwater bits before. Me to the missus. .. "How many times have I got to tell you? It's the tiller, not the bloody yardarm". I have no idea what a yardarm is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 18:00:05 GMT
With the boat in dry dock, stuff a rag between tiller shaft and tube at the bottom, pour in blacking, drain, let dry, repeat. Tube painted. Or is that too easy. I'm not convinced it's worth the effort. How will you remove the rust and shite? In foxy's case it's even more pointless, 30 years on a smear of blacking on top of rust isn't going to do a great deal.
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Post by Jim on Feb 23, 2017 7:33:28 GMT
With the boat in dry dock, stuff a rag between tiller shaft and tube at the bottom, pour in blacking, drain, let dry, repeat. Tube painted. Or is that too easy. Yes, I suggested something of that nature. No photos from the boatyard yet. I always feel a bit odd asking for work to be done whilst we're away, like those people who turn up at an Embassy or fancy party and have someone to park their car. Just remember to use phrases like "now, my good man..." and "dear chap, will you just...". In fact pretend you're a Hudson owner and get the butler to do it. Acksherly does one own a Hudson or does a Hudson own one. Wonder how many on this site are posh? Brought up at Eton? By the general tone suspect most were Eton and brought up!
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 23, 2017 7:44:34 GMT
With the boat in dry dock, stuff a rag between tiller shaft and tube at the bottom, pour in blacking, drain, let dry, repeat. Tube painted. Or is that too easy. I'm not convinced it's worth the effort. How will you remove the rust and shite? With the kind of brush at the bottom on a blooming long electric drill shaft: This is a new subject for me, so will have to investigate further. After a good brushing and cleaning with water and drying (electric hairdryer in one hole?) you could fill the tube with Fertan for a day, rinse that, and then fill the tube with red oxide, let it run out, and a week later fill it with bitumen, let that run out (twice for bitumen). I'd like to know what other people have done with their tiller stock/shaft tubes. Well, it's boating, innit? Makes a changes from reading about sexual deviancies on 'ere
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 23, 2017 7:47:58 GMT
Yes, I suggested something of that nature. No photos from the boatyard yet. I always feel a bit odd asking for work to be done whilst we're away, like those people who turn up at an Embassy or fancy party and have someone to park their car. Just remember to use phrases like "now, my good man..." and "dear chap, will you just...". In fact pretend you're a Hudson owner and get the butler to do it. I think it's better to ask at the boatyard if there's a charity shop nearby as you need some new underpants and socks. They may take sympathy on you and knock a few quid off the bill. They too could have gone to Eton and instead of calling it a bill refer to it as an 'invoice'. You know when you see the term 'invoice' it's a big 'un!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 7:55:30 GMT
I'm not convinced it's worth the effort. How will you remove the rust and shite? With the kind of brush at the bottom on a blooming long electric drill shaft: This is a new subject for me, so will have to investigate further. After a good brushing and cleaning with water and drying (electric hairdryer in one hole?) you could fill the tube with Fertan for a day, rinse that, and then fill the tube with red oxide, let it run out, and a week later fill it with bitumen, let theat run out (twice for bitumen). I'd like to know what other people have done with their tiller stock/shaft tubes. Well, it's boating, innit? Makes a changes from reading about sexual deviancies on 'ere Sorry, i meant as in trying to paint it with the rudder stock insitu. often its the most poorly designed bit of a narrow boat! The boys at A&L didnt do a great job on our rudder - the rudder stock pivoted in a hole in a flat plate, no cup, no bearing, and because of the design no hope of removing the rudder without cutting the skeg off. - it lasted 43 years until I had to drill and tap an M16 bolt up through the rudder stock to get a bit more life out of it. 6 years after that the whole issue was re-designed and replaced by me, it now has a removable plate with an oilite bush to pivot in, the top of the rudder stock is held securely in place by a 4 bolt flanged bearing a dirty gert big bracket bolted to the deck bearers. It can all be removed without removing the skeg - proper job! Although, we don't have corrosion issues with the tube, it's made of bronze. I dont think boat builders much cared what happens 30+ years down the line
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 23, 2017 8:03:14 GMT
I don't think boat builders much cared what happens 30+ years down the line. The Chinese boat builders do!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 8:14:44 GMT
Original - you can just see the head of the bolt at the bottom of the rudder stock that became the new pivot. Replacement - the pivot plate unbolts, the bolt is removed from the rudder stock, steering gear disconnected and it all drops down without disturbing the skeg.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 24, 2017 17:11:48 GMT
In from the boatyard this afternoon: goo.gl/photos/ki2uXHtLGFA5gb8B6 Looks like they've done the bottom bearing too, and renewed the shaft/stock. Not sure exactly as invoice won't open. I shall make a small list of questions to ask tomorrow. I wonder if there was any kind of bearing at all at the top. Just asked for the top bearing to be done but looks like they've done the lot, if all is OK, I'm pleased. Although now worried about the inside of the tube! I might paint it next dry dock Summer 2018.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 24, 2017 17:17:57 GMT
In from the boatyard this afternoon: goo.gl/photos/ki2uXHtLGFA5gb8B6 Looks like they've done the bottom bearing too, and renewed the shaft/stock. Not sure exactly as invoice won't open. I shall make a small list of questions to ask tomorrow. I wonder if there was any kind of bearing at all at the top. Just asked for the top bearing to be done but looks like they've done the lot, if all is OK, I'm pleased. Although now worried about the inside of the tube! I might paint it next dry dock Summer 2018. Does that not just look more worn than rusted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 17:34:40 GMT
In from the boatyard this afternoon: goo.gl/photos/ki2uXHtLGFA5gb8B6 Looks like they've done the bottom bearing too, and renewed the shaft/stock. Not sure exactly as invoice won't open. I shall make a small list of questions to ask tomorrow. I wonder if there was any kind of bearing at all at the top. Just asked for the top bearing to be done but looks like they've done the lot, if all is OK, I'm pleased. Although now worried about the inside of the tube! I might paint it next dry dock Summer 2018. That was a bit goosed! You can go off cruising safe in the knowledge nothing is going to drop off now. I'd put the tube to the back of your mind, enjoy your boat and leave it at that for the moment. I'd be surprised if the yard your using wouldn't have missed the tube being rough while they were doing the rudder.
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