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Post by pluto on Jun 13, 2020 15:21:05 GMT
Ainscough's M/b ' Burscough 2' formerly 'Black Prince' descending Stanley Locks, Liverpool. Tied up on the right M/b 'Farnworth' looking worse for wear. Photo circa mid 1950's Is it Farnworth? I was told that Bootle Barge Co got the names on Everton and Farnworth mixed up. Farnworth should have its cabin chimney slightly offset, which is how you could tell which boat was which.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 13, 2020 17:43:07 GMT
Ainscough's M/b ' Burscough 2' formerly 'Black Prince' descending Stanley Locks, Liverpool. Tied up on the right M/b 'Farnworth' looking worse for wear. Photo circa mid 1950's Is it Farnworth? I was told that Bootle Barge Co got the names on Everton and Farnworth mixed up. Farnworth should have its cabin chimney slightly offset, which is how you could tell which boat was which. I'm pretty sure that's 'Farnworth', and with 'Burscough II' carrying Apollo Canal Carriers name on the engine casing the photo has got to be sometime in the early to mid 1970's, . . by which time 'Everton' had long since - ten or eleven years earlier - acquired a great big, and very visible crimp, which I recall as being about halfway down the starboard side deck. It got put there in the early 1960's when 'Everton's then skipper (''Galloping") Walter Jackson came off second best in an argument with a coaster coming out of Salford No. 9 Dock at the same time as he was heading for Mode Wheel running light down to Ellesmere Port to lighten a Kellogg's ship.
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Post by angelo1728 on Jul 10, 2020 16:36:47 GMT
Trying to solve the offset Chimney Stack whether it is Everton or Farnworth Unless my eye sight is failing me the 3 photos of Everton show the stack to be off centre to the port side. Apologies for grainy photo of Farnworth. Hope Tony Dunkley can remember?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 11, 2020 11:10:35 GMT
Trying to solve the offset Chimney Stack whether it is Everton or Farnworth Unless my eye sight is failing me the 3 photos of Everton show the stack to be off centre to the port side. Apologies for grainy photo of Farnworth. Hope Tony Dunkley can remember?
I don't think there's anything wrong with your eyesight, Roy, but I'm not at all convinced by this story about the cabin chimney positions. As far as I can remember it was near enough the same on both ships, and they both had the same sort of cabin range, . . which, thinking back, I'm pretty sure were those mucky ash puthering 'GUIDWIFE' things that British Waterways used to buy from the Bonnybridge foundry in Scotland. Those three photo's of Everton and the one of Farnworth in such a sad mess have reminded me about a couple of other distinguishing features, though. The portside top piece of the starboard side T-stud on Farnworth's foredeck was noticeably bent upwards and the stud itself cocked slightly over to starboard, . . . and the companion steps were off to the port side of Everton's cabin top, but were off to starboard on Farnworth.
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Post by angelo1728 on Jul 11, 2020 11:50:38 GMT
Trying to solve the offset Chimney Stack whether it is Everton or Farnworth Unless my eye sight is failing me the 3 photos of Everton show the stack to be off centre to the port side. Apologies for grainy photo of Farnworth. Hope Tony Dunkley can remember?
I don't think there's anything wrong with your eyesight, Roy, but I'm not at all convinced by this story about the cabin chimney positions. As far as I can remember it was near enough the same on both ships, and they both had the same sort of cabin range, . . which, thinking back, I'm pretty sure were those mucky ash puthering 'GUIDWIFE' things that British Waterways used to buy from the Bonnybridge foundry in Scotland. Those three photo's of Everton and the one of Farnworth in such a sad mess have reminded me about a couple of other distinguishing features, though. The portside top piece of the starboard side T-stud on Farnworth's foredeck was noticeably bent upwards and the stud itself cocked slightly over to starboard, . . . and the companion steps were off to the port side of Everton's cabin top, but were off to starboard on Farnworth. Thanks for your memories and info on these two boats. Perhaps the stack was corrected at some time. The photo locations are top to bottom Everton leaving Liverpool near Litherland Bridge, then near Whitebirk Power Station Blackburn Farnworth near Scarisbrick Wood near Southport which was the passenger boat droppong off place for visitors to the seaside resort. Last one Everton exciting Litherland Lift Bridge Bootle area of Liverpool
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Post by pluto on Jul 11, 2020 13:34:45 GMT
Looking at my photos again, it does seem that Everton and Farnworth both had the chimney offset. However, a photo of Darwen shows the chimney to be central, so it probably had the traditional L&LC open-fronted stove. I seem to remember it was the Chertsey Kid who told me about Everton's chimney originally not being offset. He had purchased the boat and sand-basted it on the slip at Wigan, so may have discovered welding marks showing the chimney been moved. That said, there were plenty of stories going round regarding the Bootle Barge Company and their yard where Everton and Farnworth were based in the early 1970s. One involved their guard dog being stolen.
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Post by angelo1728 on Aug 22, 2020 20:04:14 GMT
Photo of two Ainscough's boats approaching Jackson's Bridge, Lydiate on the Leeds & Liverpool Canal in 1956. M/b Ambush towing D/b Claymore loaded with 120 tons Grain between them from either Birkenhead or Liverpool Docks for their Mill at Burscough. Photo Courtesy of George Houghton
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Post by Andyberg on Oct 4, 2020 10:50:32 GMT
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Post by bosca9 on Oct 4, 2020 16:33:12 GMT
Kris I have a picture of another boat called 'Fair Maiden', which is a L & L Shortboat. I will try and post it and leave you to guess the original name. May need Peter's assistance again. Roy No worries Roy, I can always give it a try. Peter.
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Post by kris on Oct 4, 2020 16:37:37 GMT
Is it you?
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Post by Jim on Oct 5, 2020 9:24:10 GMT
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Post by bargemast on Nov 22, 2020 14:46:37 GMT
Seconded I miss his contributions to the forum. It's sad when we lose such a knowledgeable member. I will pass on everyone best wishes, I don’t think we’ve lost him, just that he doesn’t want to contribute all the time. This is probably a good posting to say what I really don't like of some of the forum members, whitout saying that they have to change what they're doing, or not doing. Of course, it easier not to do what you said you were going to do, than do it in reality. It's maybe not fair from me to complain about this, as it's only a bit more than 5 months ago that this was written, but it was disappointed to read this, while never having received the mail with everyones best wishes. I know that it takes time to write just a few lines, and there were other more urgent things needed to be done, not to worry. The reason that I didn't like what I was reading is probably more because I always do, and always have done what I promised to everyone, and expect more or less that other people are the same. There are plenty of other non kept promises by other members, of which to name just one is of one of the top (or quite likely "The Top) -posters, who promised to take and post photo's of an old barge that he saw regularly on his cruises, the sistership of "Lake" that several members were interested in, but he never did, because there was a guy with tattoos moored alongside, and that scared him off. A while ago there was another promise, when he wrote that as soon as the Thames wasn't flooding anymore, he would take and post some photo's of a L & L Shortboat the A-39 that was tied up at a boatyard right opposite on where he was moored, of course this never happened either. Nobody will force anyone to say things, and/or make promises, about things you don't want to do, it's so much easier not saying anything, and maybe then surprise with the posting of these pictures. Something else that I really don't like is the lack of compassion for problems that some people can have, like the lack of money. I'm not jealous, when I was young I started with next to nothing, I worked very hard and became fairly wealthy, due to circumstances, mainly stupidity having too much trust in other people, I almost lost everything, and I've gone through some very rough periods in my life, so because of that it's very easy for me to understand how difficult life can be if you're struggling to get by. If one never had the experience of how difficult life can be because you've never had the misfortune of having a serious lack of money, to be able to do repairs on your boat, because you haven't got the money to buy the needed parts to do so, and in your mind people like that shouldn't own a boat. One top-poster that's not appreciated is the specialist in "copy and paste" and racist postings, which ofter are a nuissance, but he makes very good and much appreciated photographs, and has a very good hard and is willing to help anyone if he can, like offering the use of his boat to Tony Dunkley, which really is a proof of his kindness. Many of the posters about Tony Dunkley's problems with C&RT seem to (almost ?) give satisfaction to quite a few of the posters, which is very sad to see. These are a few of the reason why I haven't felt the need to read, and/or post anymore, I maybe a bit (read very) limited in my interest in many of the other threads, as my passion and my life has been involved with barges and boats, and I'm not interested in the different kinds of beer and heavier stuff to drink, which is not the fault of this forum but entirely my own. ATB anyway, Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 15:03:07 GMT
The thing with both the A39 and the sistership of LAKE is that it is not actually possible to get decent photos due to the fact that both of the boats are moored bankside with other boats on the outside of them. They are both still in the same location and both still almost completely obscured from any photo opportunities I did put up what I could as images on the forum. Without being more intrepid and gaining access to the land this was all I could reasonably do.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 22, 2020 15:03:36 GMT
I for one Peter am sorry that you have moved away from this site. I always enjoyed your posts especially your posts of commercial barging on the continent.
Whatever comes I hope you stay well and happy. all the very best mate and thanks for all the things I have learned from you .... John
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 15:05:35 GMT
Good to know you're well ... entirely your choice to post or not Rog
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