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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 10:47:26 GMT
That is an unbalanced statement. The only people who are privy to your medical history without your permission is your GP and yourself There are many situations where you are required to make medical facts known, where if you fail to do so, you will not be able to obtain services or assistance to which you would otherwise be entitled. Bloody Hell ! try buying an annuity for a start. ........or come to that travel insurance ! I'm all for insisting on genuine rights but get some sort of perspective.
But, not CRT. No medical questionnaire was ever sent to me before my licence application could be processed.
What has that got to do with the price of fish ? If you have a licence with a home mooring you can sit there all the time. If you have a licence without a home mooring you are agreeing to move "continuously cruise" .... that presumes that you are able to do so, after all you have just agreed to it. If you have a licence with a home mooring and because of illness you are unable to return to it and need to overstay somewhere or if you have a licence without a home mooring and need to overstay because of medical reasons it is only fair and just that you supply information to CRT to to validate your claim. If CRT disagree with that evidence THAT is the time to begin any legal arguments with them. To do so beforehand is just making trouble for both parties out of pointless bloody mindedness
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Post by peterboat on May 8, 2016 10:56:08 GMT
The legislation is extremely vaigue in places, like this one, but that's not really the honest boaters problem, its up to CRT to prove the boater has no valid reason to overstay, not the other way round, the legal process required to do that is a good way to ensure CRT have some evidence, and are sure enough to take it to court, rather than the opinion of an EO who has a grudge. But we never made the law, CRT has to abide by it or seek to change it, they can't decide its not in their favour and override it. CRT management can't bear not being in control of everything, and the boater having these kind of rights is an anathema to their way of thinking. Maybe Parliament was thinking there was no need to micro manage boaters just pottering around the picturesque canals, and the boater and BW/ CRT were skipping through the daisies hand in hand, and perfectly able to cope with being flexible and relaxed over mooring time limits, they never envisaged CRT would be managed by people who don't give a shit about boats or boaters lives. Or maybe they didnt think a minority of boaters would take the piss and turn the canals into housing estates
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Post by loafer on May 8, 2016 11:06:32 GMT
But, not CRT. No medical questionnaire was ever sent to me before my licence application could be processed.
What has that got to do with the price of fish ? If you have a licence with a home mooring you can sit there all the time. If you have a licence without a home mooring you are agreeing to move "continuously cruise" .... that presumes that you are able to do so, after all you have just agreed to it. If you have a licence with a home mooring and because of illness you are unable to return to it and need to overstay somewhere or if you have a licence without a home mooring and need to overstay because of medical reasons it is only fair and just that you supply information to CRT to to validate your claim. If CRT disagree with that evidence THAT is the time to begin any legal arguments with them. To do so beforehand is just making trouble for both parties out of pointless bloody mindedness I STILL don't understand what is difficult about it all. Wanna stay put? Get a mooring. If CRT just accept overstaying on the word of the boater, and never bother with enforcement, how many boaters would see that as an almost permanent invitation to overstay? I sure know plenty of them!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:13:25 GMT
But, not CRT. No medical questionnaire was ever sent to me before my licence application could be processed.
What has that got to do with the price of fish ? If you have a licence with a home mooring you can sit there all the time. If you have a licence without a home mooring you are agreeing to move "continuously cruise" .... that presumes that you are able to do so, after all you have just agreed to it. If you have a licence with a home mooring and because of illness you are unable to return to it and need to overstay somewhere or if you have a licence without a home mooring and need to overstay because of medical reasons it is only fair and just that you supply information to CRT to to validate your claim. If CRT disagree with that evidence THAT is the time to begin any legal arguments with them. To do so beforehand is just making trouble for both parties out of pointless bloody mindedness If you have a license with a home mooring you cannot sit there all the time because CRT expect you to move every fourteen days also, this is of course outside of the law just the same as the 20 mile recommendation for continuous cruisers.Stunned you and Peter don't know about this John ?The sad thing is that home moorers and continuous cruisers are being treated the same way by CRT over enforcement and thats with total contempt.Lets have a debate about that fact right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:16:47 GMT
The legislation is extremely vaigue in places, like this one, but that's not really the honest boaters problem, its up to CRT to prove the boater has no valid reason to overstay, not the other way round, the legal process required to do that is a good way to ensure CRT have some evidence, and are sure enough to take it to court, rather than the opinion of an EO who has a grudge. But we never made the law, CRT has to abide by it or seek to change it, they can't decide its not in their favour and override it. CRT management can't bear not being in control of everything, and the boater having these kind of rights is an anathema to their way of thinking. Maybe Parliament was thinking there was no need to micro manage boaters just pottering around the picturesque canals, and the boater and BW/ CRT were skipping through the daisies hand in hand, and perfectly able to cope with being flexible and relaxed over mooring time limits, they never envisaged CRT would be managed by people who don't give a shit about boats or boaters lives. Or maybe they didnt think a minority of boaters would take the piss and turn the canals into housing estates Your talking out your arse Peter,how can a minority turn a canal into a housing estate. What about my point of boats with home moorings having to move every fortnight too?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:17:05 GMT
What has that got to do with the price of fish ? If you have a licence with a home mooring you can sit there all the time. If you have a licence without a home mooring you are agreeing to move "continuously cruise" .... that presumes that you are able to do so, after all you have just agreed to it. If you have a licence with a home mooring and because of illness you are unable to return to it and need to overstay somewhere or if you have a licence without a home mooring and need to overstay because of medical reasons it is only fair and just that you supply information to CRT to to validate your claim. If CRT disagree with that evidence THAT is the time to begin any legal arguments with them. To do so beforehand is just making trouble for both parties out of pointless bloody mindedness I sure know plenty of them! You didn't the other day when I asked you.
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Post by Higgs on May 8, 2016 11:18:30 GMT
But, not CRT. No medical questionnaire was ever sent to me before my licence application could be processed.
What has that got to do with the price of fish ? If you have a licence with a home mooring you can sit there all the time. If you have a licence without a home mooring you are agreeing to move "continuously cruise" .... that presumes that you are able to do so, after all you have just agreed to it. If you have a licence with a home mooring and because of illness you are unable to return to it and need to overstay somewhere or if you have a licence without a home mooring and need to overstay because of medical reasons it is only fair and just that you supply information to CRT to to validate your claim. If CRT disagree with that evidence THAT is the time to begin any legal arguments with them. To do so beforehand is just making trouble for both parties out of pointless bloody mindedness
There's no need to go into detail about one's medical condition. Show evidence of appointments with the GP or hospital. If you're ill, you have every reason to stay put. The EO and CRT are not qualified in medical matters. So, if CRT think you're swinging lead, give them your GP's number and let them argue the point with the medics. Not saying boaters should take the mickey, but how much medical information do you think CRT should have.
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Post by loafer on May 8, 2016 11:18:52 GMT
People with home moorings who overstay on VMs are just as annoying as CC/CMers! The VMs get just as clogged up! Move 'em on, I say. A home mooring is just that - if you're away from it, you're away from home, and therefore 'going somewhere'. Why else get a home mooring (except to pretend to CRT that you actually use it)? How else does CRT stop the phantom home-moorers from taking the piss?
In terms of debate, I don't know the detailed legal analysis of the issue - I simply agree with the 14-day movement thing. For all!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:19:19 GMT
I sure know plenty of them! You didn't the other day when I asked you. Why aren't these boaters with Home Moorings not up in arms about having to move every 14 days?
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 11:20:47 GMT
What has that got to do with the price of fish ? If you have a licence with a home mooring you can sit there all the time. I suspect you deliberately misread that but if you preferIf you have a licence with a home mooring you can sit on it all the time If you have a license with a home mooring you cannot sit there all the time because CRT expect you to move every fourteen days also, this is of course outside of the law just the same as the 20 mile recommendation for continuous cruisers.Stunned you and Peter don't know about this John ?The sad thing is that home moorers and continuous cruisers are being treated the same way by CRT over enforcement and thats with total contempt.Lets have a debate about that fact right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:20:49 GMT
You didn't the other day when I asked you. Why aren't these boaters with Home Moorings not up in arms about having to move every 14 days? No balls.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:21:57 GMT
People with home moorings who overstay on VMs are just as annoying as CC/CMers! The VMs get just as clogged up! Move 'em on, I say. A home mooring is just that - if you're away from it, you're away from home, and therefore 'going somewhere'. Why else get a home mooring (except to pretend to CRT that you actually use it)? How else does CRT stop the phantom home-moorers from taking the piss? In terms of debate, I don't know the detailed legal analysis of the issue - I simply agree with the 14-day movement thing. For all! You have more positions than a Thai hooker,your are totally all over the place on this and good people are trying to put you right and you won't listen.
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Post by loafer on May 8, 2016 11:24:59 GMT
I sure know plenty of them! You didn't the other day when I asked you. I said I know plenty of people who WOULD stop moving and just CM, if it was all relaxed. They aren't doing it just yet, except for the few that I did point out when you asked me earlier. Most of these people move the absolute minimum, to avoid loss of licence, and come back again. Maybe two bridges worth. They're even annoyed at having to buy a licence. You simply cannot tell me that these people don't exist! CRT are regarded as 'those cunts' - and would like to pay nothing at all and stay wherever they like. The general attitude amongst this type is that it 'isn't doing anyone any harm' and all the usual 'free spirit' and 'live and let live' nonsense! Get a grip, you idle twats.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:25:30 GMT
If you have a license with a home mooring you cannot sit there all the time because CRT expect you to move every fourteen days also, this is of course outside of the law just the same as the 20 mile recommendation for continuous cruisers.Stunned you and Peter don't know about this John ?The sad thing is that home moorers and continuous cruisers are being treated the same way by CRT over enforcement and thats with total contempt.Lets have a debate about that fact right now. Lets clarify what you said,It was always the case that when a boat with a home mooring was off that mooring and out cruising, they could sit anywhere for more than 14 days as they weren't a continuous cruiser.Do you agree with that statement john ?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:34:56 GMT
You didn't the other day when I asked you. I said I know plenty of people who WOULD stop moving and just CM, if it was all relaxed. They aren't doing it just yet, except for the few that I did point out when you asked me earlier. Most of these people move the absolute minimum, to avoid loss of licence, and come back again. Maybe two bridges worth. They're even annoyed at having to buy a licence. You simply cannot tell me that these people don't exist! CRT are regarded as 'those cunts' - and would like to pay nothing at all and stay wherever they like. The general attitude amongst this type is that it 'isn't doing anyone any harm' and all the usual 'free spirit' and 'live and let live' nonsense! Get a grip, you idle twats. This is where you won't listen to reason from myself and Jenlyn who are totally compliant both with the law and the spirit of the law. You knowing plenty of people and guessing their intention is no grounds for anything,as regards moving the absolute minimum,these boaters break no rules as there is no legally specified distance.You may not like that,but sadly "we piss with the cock we got" on that issue. The rest of your post is supposition and how can we have a debate about that?
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