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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:39:40 GMT
You didn't the other day when I asked you. I said I know plenty of people who WOULD stop moving and just CM, if it was all relaxed. They aren't doing it just yet, except for the few that I did point out when you asked me earlier. Most of these people move the absolute minimum, to avoid loss of licence, and come back again. Maybe two bridges worth. They're even annoyed at having to buy a licence. You simply cannot tell me that these people don't exist! CRT are regarded as 'those cunts' - and would like to pay nothing at all and stay wherever they like. The general attitude amongst this type is that it 'isn't doing anyone any harm' and all the usual 'free spirit' and 'live and let live' nonsense! Get a grip, you idle twats. I just tend to read some of your posts, and realise that you have no real knowledge of the issues. The only "twat" is you in my opinion. Wandering a misty path of alcoholic oblivion, totally unaware of others problems and life issues. (I'm alright jack, fuck the rest). You just spout whatever is in your head at that moment in time and attempt to promote it as fact. Total bollox.
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 11:40:38 GMT
Lets clarify what you said,It was always the case that when a boat with a home mooring was off that mooring and out cruising, they could sit anywhere for more than 14 days as they weren't a continuous cruiser.Do you agree with that statement? To the best of my knowledge that has never been the case. As I understand it the only difference between the with or without home moorings seemed to be in the complicated arguments over "place" and "distance to move" This being due to a boat with a home mooring having a different movement pattern compared to one continuously cruising. Although I lost interest in the argument over minutae (fortunately just before I lost the will to live). As I recall it was far more that the distance of movement was not not as rigorous for the boat with a home mooring and the return pattern not as important. but I am afraid my memory of the exact details is somewhat vague as my boating pattern is such that for me, it was irrelevant
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 11:50:37 GMT
Lets clarify what you said,It was always the case that when a boat with a home mooring was off that mooring and out cruising, they could sit anywhere for more than 14 days as they weren't a continuous cruiser.Do you agree with that statement? To the best of my knowledge that has never been the case. As I understand it the only difference between the with or without home moorings seemed to be in the complicated arguments over "place" and "distance to move" This being due to a boat with a home mooring having a different movement pattern compared to one continuously cruising. Although I lost interest in the argument over minutae (fortunately just before I lost the will to live). As I recall it was far more that the distance of movement was not not as rigorous for the boat with a home mooring and the return pattern not as important. but I am afraid my memory of the exact details is somewhat vague as my boating pattern is such that for me, it was irrelevant I think you have that wrong John.I appreciate it may have variances dependent on your area. The only boat that had to move every fourteen days was a continuous cruiser.There is no statute regarding distance John.
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 11:57:22 GMT
I think you will find that the 14 day rule applies to all boats. I don't intend to go and look it up ....but isn't it on the lines of mooring is permitted for a maximum period of 14 days or the posted limits if different ? The 14 days is the default setting as it were.
The distance was more in the attempts to define "place" as in move to another
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Post by peterboat on May 8, 2016 12:03:57 GMT
What has that got to do with the price of fish ? If you have a licence with a home mooring you can sit there all the time. If you have a licence without a home mooring you are agreeing to move "continuously cruise" .... that presumes that you are able to do so, after all you have just agreed to it. If you have a licence with a home mooring and because of illness you are unable to return to it and need to overstay somewhere or if you have a licence without a home mooring and need to overstay because of medical reasons it is only fair and just that you supply information to CRT to to validate your claim. If CRT disagree with that evidence THAT is the time to begin any legal arguments with them. To do so beforehand is just making trouble for both parties out of pointless bloody mindedness If you have a license with a home mooring you cannot sit there all the time because CRT expect you to move every fourteen days also, this is of course outside of the law just the same as the 20 mile recommendation for continuous cruisers.Stunned you and Peter don't know about this John ?The sad thing is that home moorers and continuous cruisers are being treated the same way by CRT over enforcement and thats with total contempt.Lets have a debate about that fact right now. I do know about it but last week I went out to cruise and cruise I did moving every day or couple of days really enjoyed it like I always do
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 12:12:00 GMT
I said I know plenty of people who WOULD stop moving and just CM, if it was all relaxed. They aren't doing it just yet, except for the few that I did point out when you asked me earlier. Most of these people move the absolute minimum, to avoid loss of licence, and come back again. Maybe two bridges worth. They're even annoyed at having to buy a licence. You simply cannot tell me that these people don't exist! CRT are regarded as 'those cunts' - and would like to pay nothing at all and stay wherever they like. The general attitude amongst this type is that it 'isn't doing anyone any harm' and all the usual 'free spirit' and 'live and let live' nonsense! Get a grip, you idle twats. I just tend to read some of your posts, and realise that you have no real knowledge of the issues. The only "twat" is you in my opinion. Wandering a misty path of alcoholic oblivion, totally unaware of others problems and life issues. (I'm alright jack, fuck the rest). You just spout whatever is in your head at that moment in time and attempt to promote it as fact. Total bollox. Its very sad,I was hoping for some new consensus away from people taking these static positions. I freely admit there are some who take the piss but its important that these are a very small minority and not indicative of the larger group of continuous cruisers. A more relevant debate could be had perhaps between people who see a boat primarily as a home and those that see it primarily to explore the waterways though both hold continuous cruiser licenses
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 12:30:04 GMT
I just tend to read some of your posts, and realise that you have no real knowledge of the issues. The only "twat" is you in my opinion. Wandering a misty path of alcoholic oblivion, totally unaware of others problems and life issues. (I'm alright jack, fuck the rest). You just spout whatever is in your head at that moment in time and attempt to promote it as fact. Total bollox. Its very sad,I was hoping for some new consensus away from people taking these static positions. I freely admit there are some who take the piss but its important that these are a very small minority and not indicative of the larger group of continuous cruisers. A more relevant debate could be had perhaps between people who see a boat primarily as a home and those that see it primarily to explore the waterways though both hold continuous cruiser licenses I think that statement encapsulates what I believe is wrong. There is nothing contradictory in being a home and exploring the waterways. If in your home you explore the waterways and move extensively then you are without doubt a continuous cruiser and a licence without a home mooring is a sensible conclusion. If your home only wanders round a very limited area and is not used for exploring the waterways just as a comfortable and pleasant home then fine but you are not really a continuous cruiser. and you should have a home mooring.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 12:35:34 GMT
I just tend to read some of your posts, and realise that you have no real knowledge of the issues. The only "twat" is you in my opinion. Wandering a misty path of alcoholic oblivion, totally unaware of others problems and life issues. (I'm alright jack, fuck the rest). You just spout whatever is in your head at that moment in time and attempt to promote it as fact. Total bollox. Its very sad,I was hoping for some new consensus away from people taking these static positions. I freely admit there are some who take the piss but its important that these are a very small minority and not indicative of the larger group of continuous cruisers. A more relevant debate could be had perhaps between people who see a boat primarily as a home and those that see it primarily to explore the waterways though both hold continuous cruiser licenses The thing is, people like loafer suggest and promote the problem as a major issue, when it is not. It is in fact a very very small issue. As long as loafer and gang keep spouting this crap, the real issues such as maintenance, dredging etc are neatly hidden away, which of course is just what the trust wants. That really pisses me off, and I'm sorry loafer, but you are in fact one of the pisstakers.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 13:07:30 GMT
Its very sad,I was hoping for some new consensus away from people taking these static positions. I freely admit there are some who take the piss but its important that these are a very small minority and not indicative of the larger group of continuous cruisers. A more relevant debate could be had perhaps between people who see a boat primarily as a home and those that see it primarily to explore the waterways though both hold continuous cruiser licenses The thing is, people like loafer suggest and promote the problem as a major issue, when it is not. It is in fact a very very small issue. As long as loafer and gang keep spouting this crap, the real issues such as maintenance, dredging etc are neatly hidden away, which of course is just what the trust wants. That really pisses me off, and I'm sorry loafer, but you are in fact one of the pisstakers. Thats the trouble with these King and Country Types they are not taught to think only to obey. We do what we can for him,provide him with some therapeutic debate,I even splash out on the occasional Poppy to help him financially.I get no thanks.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 14:18:27 GMT
The thing is, people like loafer suggest and promote the problem as a major issue, when it is not. It is in fact a very very small issue. As long as loafer and gang keep spouting this crap, the real issues such as maintenance, dredging etc are neatly hidden away, which of course is just what the trust wants. That really pisses me off, and I'm sorry loafer, but you are in fact one of the pisstakers. Thats the trouble with these King and Country Types they are not taught to think only to obey. We do what we can for him,provide him with some therapeutic debate,I even splash out on the occasional Poppy to help him financially.I get no thanks. The thing is, those who fought for freedom will almost certainty despair of the bollocks some idiots come up with. I genuinely think that's incredibly sad. I like to believe they fought for a world where we all get on without idiots.
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Post by peterboat on May 8, 2016 14:23:55 GMT
The thing is, people like loafer suggest and promote the problem as a major issue, when it is not. It is in fact a very very small issue. As long as loafer and gang keep spouting this crap, the real issues such as maintenance, dredging etc are neatly hidden away, which of course is just what the trust wants. That really pisses me off, and I'm sorry loafer, but you are in fact one of the pisstakers. Thats the trouble with these King and Country Types they are not taught to think only to obey. We do what we can for him,provide him with some therapeutic debate,I even splash out on the occasional Poppy to help him financially.I get no thanks. Or is it the other way around? we ex forces type can think and you uneducated undisciplined oiks cant think, so just keep on falling foul of the most simple of rules? I mean if your boat is your home and you dont want to lose it all you have to do is move 20 miles in the year in onwards navigation! I mean only a fool wouldnt do that if their home depended on it or would they? This is tongue in cheek humour but think about it such a simple thing to do yet people dont
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 14:27:27 GMT
The thing is, people like loafer suggest and promote the problem as a major issue, when it is not. It is in fact a very very small issue. As long as loafer and gang keep spouting this crap, the real issues such as maintenance, dredging etc are neatly hidden away, which of course is just what the trust wants. That really pisses me off, and I'm sorry loafer, but you are in fact one of the pisstakers. That is bullshit. It is an issue. A small proportion of boaters are using a larger proportion of resources than the system is equipped for. Before you start , I am not talking against people who continuously cruise or who live on boats with a proper home mooring. People who live on boats in marinas or on proper live aboard moorings are paying for the facilities they use, rubbish, sewage etc. People who don't live on boats and keep their boat in a marina or on a proper home mooring are also paying for the facilities they use. People who continuously cruise and roam the system use the fairly limited general facilities that are provided for boats travelling the system. People who live on their boats and inhabit a restricted area are using facilities that are very limited and are not designed to cope with their numbers. Now the demand goes up to provide more and better facilities ........ these are expensive ! If money is spent on increasing facilities for a minority who are not properly continuous cruising then that money is coming out of the navigation and maintenance budget or is not being spent on the upkeep of the general facilities around the network that are for the benefit of ALL.
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Post by peterboat on May 8, 2016 14:35:04 GMT
The thing is, people like loafer suggest and promote the problem as a major issue, when it is not. It is in fact a very very small issue. As long as loafer and gang keep spouting this crap, the real issues such as maintenance, dredging etc are neatly hidden away, which of course is just what the trust wants. That really pisses me off, and I'm sorry loafer, but you are in fact one of the pisstakers. That is bullshit. It is an issue. A small proportion of boaters are using a larger proportion of resources than the system is equipped for. Before you start , I am not talking against people who continuously cruise or who live on boats with a proper home mooring. People who live on boats in marinas or on proper live aboard moorings are paying for the facilities they use, rubbish, sewage etc. People who don't live on boats and keep their boat in a marina or on a proper home mooring are also paying for the facilities they use. People who continuously cruise and roam the system use the fairly limited general facilities that are provided for boats travelling the system. People who live on their boats and inhabit a restricted area are using facilities that are very limited and are not designed to cope with their numbers. Now the demand goes up to provide more and better facilities ........ these are expensive ! If money is spent on increasing facilities for a minority who are not properly continuous cruising then that money is coming out of the navigation and maintenance budget or is not being spent on the upkeep of the general facilities around the network that are for the benefit of ALL. Well said John my view exactly
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 14:40:26 GMT
The thing is, people like loafer suggest and promote the problem as a major issue, when it is not. It is in fact a very very small issue. As long as loafer and gang keep spouting this crap, the real issues such as maintenance, dredging etc are neatly hidden away, which of course is just what the trust wants. That really pisses me off, and I'm sorry loafer, but you are in fact one of the pisstakers. That is bullshit. It is an issue. A small proportion of boaters are using a larger proportion of resources than the system is equipped for. Before you start , I am not talking against people who continuously cruise or who live on boats with a proper home mooring. People who live on boats in marinas or on proper live aboard moorings are paying for the facilities they use, rubbish, sewage etc. People who don't live on boats and keep their boat in a marina or on a proper home mooring are also paying for the facilities they use. People who continuously cruise and roam the system use the fairly limited general facilities that are provided for boats travelling the system. People who live on their boats and inhabit a restricted area are using facilities that are very limited and are not designed to cope with their numbers. Now the demand goes up to provide more and better facilities ........ these are expensive ! If money is spent on increasing facilities for a minority who are not properly continuous cruising then that money is coming out of the navigation and maintenance budget or is not being spent on the upkeep of the general facilities around the network that are for the benefit of ALL. Your another one who spouts bollox. I know it sounds good to you, but in the real world it's just a majority spouting crap to suit their agenda. You know fuck all about the issues, other than the crap you read on the internet. If you want to do something about, get down and get your hands dirty, instead of just trolling your rubbish on the internet. Makes me bloody sick listening to folk like you, bloody pontificating.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 14:42:49 GMT
The thing is, people like loafer suggest and promote the problem as a major issue, when it is not. It is in fact a very very small issue. As long as loafer and gang keep spouting this crap, the real issues such as maintenance, dredging etc are neatly hidden away, which of course is just what the trust wants. That really pisses me off, and I'm sorry loafer, but you are in fact one of the pisstakers. That is bullshit. It is an issue. A small proportion of boaters are using a larger proportion of resources than the system is equipped for. Before you start , I am not talking against people who continuously cruise or who live on boats with a proper home mooring. People who live on boats in marinas or on proper live aboard moorings are paying for the facilities they use, rubbish, sewage etc. People who don't live on boats and keep their boat in a marina or on a proper home mooring are also paying for the facilities they use. People who continuously cruise and roam the system use the fairly limited general facilities that are provided for boats travelling the system. People who live on their boats and inhabit a restricted area are using facilities that are very limited and are not designed to cope with their numbers. Now the demand goes up to provide more and better facilities ........ these are expensive ! If money is spent on increasing facilities for a minority who are not properly continuous cruising then that money is coming out of the navigation and maintenance budget or is not being spent on the upkeep of the general facilities around the network that are for the benefit of ALL. I'm beginning to wonder whether if piss takers are just those who have got nothing better to do than F up others lives and lifestyles. If you have very little money and are one of the few who could live in a small box and pay your licence fee...great. If you have lots of money and can afford a house and boat and want to enjoy the system when you can...great. If you can't respect those who respect others...you might be a P taker...
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