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Post by tadworth on Apr 22, 2017 12:47:50 GMT
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Post by pearley on Apr 22, 2017 13:12:41 GMT
I don't know the answer to your question but I do find 'tenders' are a pain in the pass. You spot a likely looking gap in a line of boats and just as you start to pull in you spot a small row boat or canoe effectively blocking a mooring.
Or as you pass by a badly secured tender swings out into your path.
For the most part they are just used to get water or empty cassettes so the boat they are 'attached' to doesn't have to move and possibly lose their spot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 14:39:05 GMT
May I ask, is there any point to your FOI requests?
Are you seeking a trading licence or indeed seeking to tender for work with C&RT?
I understand the FOI process is quite expensive, money better spent on maintenance don't you think.
Rog
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Post by kris on Apr 22, 2017 15:22:37 GMT
I don't know the answer to your question but I do find 'tenders' are a pain in the pass. You spot a likely looking gap in a line of boats and just as you start to pull in you spot a small row boat or canoe effectively blocking a mooring. Or as you pass by a badly secured tender swings out into your path. For the most part they are just used to get water or empty cassettes so the boat they are 'attached' to doesn't have to move and possibly lose their spot. a bit preduced and one sided don't you think. I have a tender that is very useful to me. It's invaluable for getting things off my prop. Also for painting the outside of the boat above the waterline. Traditionally the wide working boats from the north had tenders that they called coggys. So just watch where your dishing out your preduces.
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Post by Jim on Apr 22, 2017 18:09:52 GMT
If they start charging silly money get a canoe. Join the BCU, then it's free to use the canals.
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Post by kris on Apr 22, 2017 18:28:42 GMT
If they start charging silly money get a canoe. Join the BCU, then it's free to use the canals. Well its £50 a year I believe for the BCU, but that includes your liscence and insurance.
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Post by pearley on Apr 22, 2017 20:22:17 GMT
I don't know the answer to your question but I do find 'tenders' are a pain in the pass. You spot a likely looking gap in a line of boats and just as you start to pull in you spot a small row boat or canoe effectively blocking a mooring. Or as you pass by a badly secured tender swings out into your path. For the most part they are just used to get water or empty cassettes so the boat they are 'attached' to doesn't have to move and possibly lose their spot. a bit preduced and one sided don't you think. I have a tender that is very useful to me. It's invaluable for getting things off my prop. Also for painting the outside of the boat above the waterline. Traditionally the wide working boats from the north had tenders that they called coggys. So just watch where your dishing out your preduces. Not prejudice at all. I trust you moor your tender properly. And I guess you haven't cruised through London or the K & A. It really is a real pain on waterways where mooring is difficult to find a flimsy little boat floating about, secured by a bit of string, just where you thought you could moor. If I was into conspiracy theories I would think it was deliberate to stop someone else mooring.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 22, 2017 20:29:43 GMT
a bit preduced and one sided don't you think. I have a tender that is very useful to me. It's invaluable for getting things off my prop. Also for painting the outside of the boat above the waterline. Traditionally the wide working boats from the north had tenders that they called coggys. So just watch where your dishing out your preduces. Not prejudice at all. I trust you moor your tender properly. And I guess you haven't cruised through London or the K & A. It really is a real pain on waterways where mooring is difficult to find a flimsy little boat floating about, secured by a bit of string, just where you thought you could moor. If I was into conspiracy theories I would think it was deliberate to stop someone else mooring. A cunning way to save a mooring, some might say.
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Post by tadworth on Apr 22, 2017 21:09:48 GMT
May I ask, is there any point to your FOI requests? Are you seeking a trading licence or indeed seeking to tender for work with C&RT? I understand the FOI process is quite expensive, money better spent on maintenance don't you think. Rog You may ask, and I may answer that its not my FOI. You obviously don't understand the FOI process.
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Post by NigelMoore on Apr 28, 2017 17:32:40 GMT
1971 Act Part I, s.3(1) " tender" means a pleasure boat which is used solely as the only tender to a pleasure boat in the same ownership as the tender.The Act included these within the registration requirement as per Part II s.9(3) :- (3) Every tender registered under this Part of this Act shall also have conspicuously painted or displayed in the same manner as a powered pleasure boat the words" Tender to " followed by the name of the pleasure boat to which it is a tender. Schedule 3, Part I of the Act specified the charges for these :- For every tender so marked and registered at the same time as the pleasure boat to which it is a tender ... Three-quarters of the amount of the charge which wouId be payable if the pleasure boat used as a tender were not so used.So every tender would have to be registered as a pleasure boat, the only difference is that the charge is reduced by 25% if classified as a tender. The size only makes a difference to the level of charge, not to the classification. There is no specified limit to the size; the recent 3mtr limit is an arbitrary imposition unsupported by the legislation; the only requirements for such classification are as itemised in the above quoted s.3(1). Once again, use of T&C’s to super-impose a differing set of criteria is beyond their remit. Having said as much – the historic BW policy of allowing use of tenders for free, as being covered by the licence for the ‘mother ship’, was a discretionary permission in favour of boaters, which neither they nor their successor are bound by. They are entitled to demand a licence or registration certificate for a tender as for any other class of pleasure boat – only the percentage reduction applies. Arguably perhaps, the licence regime of 1976 – as distinct from the registration scheme – does NOT include any category of tender, however the intent behind the 1971 legislation was to bring the classifications for whole system licensing into parity with the river registrations – and the 1983 Act s.4 implicitly demands that the 2 regimes use the same classifications. If boaters wish to have a tender, they are legally obliged to licence or register it and pay the charge appropriate to its length, less 25%. They can challenge any arbitrary classification in other words, but not the obligation to pay. As a matter of interest, the position of tenders came up in the case of BWB v Peter James. In that 2003 case, the BW practice of not issuing pleasure boat certificates to tenders was noted. As the Judgment remarked – “ That is a practice which the Board is clearly entitled to adopt if it chooses, but it is not reflective of the wording of the Act.” The issue of whether or not it was a tender was found in BW's favour by the court below, but that was on the basis of the definition in the T&C's. It was an oddball case muddled by inconsistencies respecting application of the relevant Act. Nothing new there.
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Post by tadworth on Apr 29, 2017 12:20:44 GMT
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Post by NigelMoore on Apr 29, 2017 14:20:42 GMT
Well spotted, had forgotten that was where I asked for it.
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Post by tadworth on Apr 29, 2017 21:04:41 GMT
a bit preduced and one sided don't you think. I have a tender that is very useful to me. It's invaluable for getting things off my prop. Also for painting the outside of the boat above the waterline. Traditionally the wide working boats from the north had tenders that they called coggys. So just watch where your dishing out your preduces. Not prejudice at all. I trust you moor your tender properly. And I guess you haven't cruised through London or the K & A. It really is a real pain on waterways where mooring is difficult to find a flimsy little boat floating about, secured by a bit of string, just where you thought you could moor. If I was into conspiracy theories I would think it was deliberate to stop someone else mooring. Seeing as every licence holder is entitled to own a tender they cannot be to blame for mooring it next to their boat, therefore a mooring space must include any tender.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 30, 2017 7:44:41 GMT
Not prejudice at all. I trust you moor your tender properly. And I guess you haven't cruised through London or the K & A. It really is a real pain on waterways where mooring is difficult to find a flimsy little boat floating about, secured by a bit of string, just where you thought you could moor. If I was into conspiracy theories I would think it was deliberate to stop someone else mooring. Seeing as every licence holder is entitled to own a tender they cannot be to blame for mooring it next to their boat, therefore a mooring space must include any tender. except if lots of boats with a tender start being a pita then they are asking to eventually have "free" tenders cancelled and will have to pay for the privilege
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Post by tadworth on Apr 30, 2017 13:01:11 GMT
Seeing as every licence holder is entitled to own a tender they cannot be to blame for mooring it next to their boat, therefore a mooring space must include any tender. except if lots of boats with a tender start being a pita then they are asking to eventually have "free" tenders cancelled and will have to pay for the privilege They haven't been a PITA, they are entitled to drag round a tender, and include a tender in their mooring space, the offer of a free tender on condition that you don't actually have one is not much of an offer. How tenders are moored and what string you must use is another issue, what do you think people are doing wrong ?
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