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Post by JohnV on Apr 30, 2017 13:56:57 GMT
except if lots of boats with a tender start being a pita then they are asking to eventually have "free" tenders cancelled and will have to pay for the privilege They haven't been a PITA, they are entitled to drag round a tender, and include a tender in their mooring space, the offer of a free tender on condition that you don't actually have one is not much of an offer. How tenders are moored and what string you must use is another issue, what do you think people are doing wrong ? In normal boating, tenders are usually kept onboard. Which is why you fit davits. You only put it in the water when you are using it. The modern use of tenders on the canals, seems to me, to be at odds with their original purpose. If people are taking up mooring space in busy areas with their tenders, they are being selfish. There are very few times that on the canals that you need a tender and to cause congestion with them is imho, unacceptable
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Post by kris on Apr 30, 2017 14:03:50 GMT
They haven't been a PITA, they are entitled to drag round a tender, and include a tender in their mooring space, the offer of a free tender on condition that you don't actually have one is not much of an offer. How tenders are moored and what string you must use is another issue, what do you think people are doing wrong ? In normal boating, tenders are usually kept onboard. Which is why you fit davits. You only put it in the water when you are using it. The modern use of tenders on the canals, seems to me, to be at odds with their original purpose. If people are taking up mooring space in busy areas with their tenders, they are being selfish. There are very few times that on the canals that you need a tender and to cause congestion with them is imho, unacceptable surely if they where hanging off davits at the stern. It would be taking up almost asuch space as if in the water?
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Post by JohnV on Apr 30, 2017 14:18:42 GMT
In normal boating, tenders are usually kept onboard. Which is why you fit davits. You only put it in the water when you are using it. The modern use of tenders on the canals, seems to me, to be at odds with their original purpose. If people are taking up mooring space in busy areas with their tenders, they are being selfish. There are very few times that on the canals that you need a tender and to cause congestion with them is imho, unacceptable surely if they where hanging off davits at the stern. It would be taking up almost asuch space as if in the water? Firstly davits do not have to be on the stern. On gin palaces when they are fitted to the stern they don't usually take up any more length than the bathing platform that they have fitted. On boats like ours, the cog boat was kept on deck. I can understand a boater with an on line, off side mooring keeping a tender in the water but then they are paying for the space they are occupying. I am talking about people who are moored towpath side where space is very short. Keeping a boat in the water and increasing the shortage of mooring space is simply selfish. and if lots of people are being selfish and causing a perceived problem, then people will object. If enough people kick up about it then the obvious route for CRT would be to start registering and charging ........ which disadvantages everyone with a tender. But isn't this what often happens ? a few people cause a problem and the majority then suffer.
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 30, 2017 14:26:41 GMT
How is having a 50ft boat with a tender being more selfish than having a 70ft boat?
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Post by JohnV on Apr 30, 2017 14:30:04 GMT
How is having a 50ft boat with a tender being more selfish than having a 70ft boat? having a 70ft boat plus a tender in the water is being selfish. you can't shorten your boat when you moor but you don't have to make it longer. It's the same scenario as those who leave a bloody great gap between them and the next boat ...... it's taking up more space than you actually need. That is being selfish edit to add .... I am not talking about everywhere ..... but behaviour like that in congested areas is unfair and selfish
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Post by kris on Apr 30, 2017 14:42:03 GMT
How is having a 50ft boat with a tender being more selfish than having a 70ft boat? having a 70ft boat plus a tender in the water is being selfish. you can't shorten your boat when you moor but you don't have to make it longer. It's the same scenario as those who leave a bloody great gap between them and the next boat ...... it's taking up more space than you actually need. That is being selfish edit to add .... I am not talking about everywhere ..... but behaviour like that in congested areas is unfair and selfish i kind of get what your saying john, but if people legally able to keep a tender in the water then you can't really admonish them when they do so. To be honest it wouldn't effect me if Crt made a liscence mandortory, as I keep my cog on deck and just put it in the water when needed.
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Post by NigelMoore on Apr 30, 2017 15:16:02 GMT
But it is already mandatory; CaRT are just limiting the size of boats that they will continue to allow for free on a purely discretionary basis.
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Post by pearley on Apr 30, 2017 16:08:01 GMT
How is having a 50ft boat with a tender being more selfish than having a 70ft boat? The 70ft boat is paying the licence fee for a 70ft boat. The 50ft boat with a 10ft tender is taking up 60ft of space but only paying for 50ft.
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Post by kris on Apr 30, 2017 16:10:26 GMT
But it is already mandatory; CaRT are just limiting the size of boats that they will continue to allow for free on a purely discretionary basis. i don't quite follow. What I was saying is that if Crt take away the "free" tender from the liscence, then I would just keep one on my roof for "emergencies."
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Post by pearley on Apr 30, 2017 17:24:38 GMT
Then the mooring behind wouldn't be obstructed. But it is already mandatory; CaRT are just limiting the size of boats that they will continue to allow for free on a purely discretionary basis. i don't quite follow. What I was saying is that if Crt take away the "free" tender from the liscence, then I would just keep one on my roof for "emergencies."
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Post by kris on Apr 30, 2017 17:32:58 GMT
Then the mooring behind wouldn't be obstructed. i don't quite follow. What I was saying is that if Crt take away the "free" tender from the liscence, then I would just keep one on my roof for "emergencies." the mooring behind isn't obstructed anyway!
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Post by tadworth on Apr 30, 2017 17:38:25 GMT
But it is already mandatory; CaRT are just limiting the size of boats that they will continue to allow for free on a purely discretionary basis. i don't quite follow. What I was saying is that if Crt take away the "free" tender from the liscence, then I would just keep one on my roof for "emergencies." In that case when you launched it onto the water you would still need a licence on it . You might then be in the position of boats in marinas, where you must have a licence in case you ever decide to use the waterway.
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Post by kris on Apr 30, 2017 17:43:36 GMT
i don't quite follow. What I was saying is that if Crt take away the "free" tender from the liscence, then I would just keep one on my roof for "emergencies." In that case when you launched it onto the water you would still need a licence on it . You might then be in the position of boats in marinas, where you must have a licence in case you ever decide to use the waterway. the word is if. If I launced it I would need a liscence. But it's hypothetical anyway, as I'm legally entitled to keep a tender, on my boat or in the water. So do you want a hypothetical argument?
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Post by NigelMoore on Apr 30, 2017 21:17:02 GMT
I am not sure that I am following you either Kris. Everyone is legally entitled to keep a boat off the water [as in on your cabin top]; everyone is legally entitled - subject to applicable licence/registration requirements - to keep a boat in the water.
Historically, BW/CaRT have waived the requirement for licence/registration of tenders, but that does not constitute a legal entitlement. The legal entitlement respecting keeping tenders in the water is the same as for any other pleasure boat.
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Post by kris on Apr 30, 2017 21:19:41 GMT
So your point is?
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