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Post by kris on May 11, 2016 9:51:32 GMT
The thread about the protest yesterday, is ridiculous. With bass player being the only dissenting voice, do they really think they are having meaningful debate. Arthur marshal is my nomination for idiot of the week.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 11:15:24 GMT
The thread about the protest yesterday, is ridiculous. With bass player being the only dissenting voice, do they really think they are having meaningful debate. Arthur marshal is my nomination for idiot of the week. Would they only be having a meaningful debate though if everybody simply agreed that the NBTA protest was justified? Hardly surely. The whole point of a debate isn't that everybody just agree with the premise of an argument. A debate happens when people of opposing view discuss things and disagree, it doesn't become meaningful or a deabte if everybody just nods sagely.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 11:18:54 GMT
I think the word debate, is a rather broadly used term on the tufty club, more often than not to disguise twaddle.
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Post by kris on May 11, 2016 11:23:16 GMT
Exactly my point Martin, is there any meaningful debate on the tufty club anymore. As soon as anyone disagrees with the group meme they get moderated.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 11:35:34 GMT
The thread about the protest yesterday, is ridiculous. With bass player being the only dissenting voice, do they really think they are having meaningful debate. Arthur marshal is my nomination for idiot of the week. Would they only be having a meaningful debate though if everybody simply agreed that the NBTA protest was justified? Hardly surely. The whole point of a debate isn't that everybody just agree with the premise of an argument. A debate happens when people of opposing view discuss things and disagree, it doesn't become meaningful or a deabte if everybody just nods sagely. I don't know where you are going on this post either. Very few people defend the views of the NBTA on CWF . In fact I'm not sure if any NBTA member has posted on that thread. I'm not a member but like to be open to both sides of the debate. What's the point of debating with people who are locked inside a bubble and don't want to consider other solutions other than cleansing the system of undesirables? I know, I should know better than to waste my time on there really. I think the real issue here is that many of those in the NBTA have serious real life issues which affect their family and lifestyle, whereas many of the people on CWF are just bored and using an Internet forum to show how clever they are. I'm sure they have better things to do than argue with a bunch of old tossers.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 11:41:35 GMT
Would they only be having a meaningful debate though if everybody simply agreed that the NBTA protest was justified? Hardly surely. The whole point of a debate isn't that everybody just agree with the premise of an argument. A debate happens when people of opposing view discuss things and disagree, it doesn't become meaningful or a deabte if everybody just nods sagely. I don't know where you are going on this post either. Very few people defend the views of the NBTA on CWF . In fact I'm not sure if any NBTA member has posted on that thread. I'm not a member but like to be open to both sides of the debate. What's the point of debating with people who are locked inside a bubble and don't want to consider other solutions other than cleansing the system of undesirables? I know, I should know better than to waste my time on there really. I think the real issue here is that many of those in the NBTA have serious real life issues which affect their family and lifestyle, whereas many of the people on CWF are just bored and using an Internet forum to show how clever they are. I'm sure they have better things to do than argue with a bunch of old tossers. I am not 'going' anywhere in particular. I actually thought the exchange between you and Phil A was quite interesting. It still strikes me though that some elements that support more lenient application of the CC guidelines just expect to have things there own way and that no body should challenge them and anybody that does is an idiot or a bunch of old tossers. Hardly meaningful debate surely?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 11:43:11 GMT
I think you had it right Bassplayer,I always get the impression a lot of posters on CWDF see it as a club of kindred spirits rather than a debating forum,they post on CWDF for the comfort factor,like you would pull on a pair of slippers.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 11:45:20 GMT
I don't know where you are going on this post either. Very few people defend the views of the NBTA on CWF . In fact I'm not sure if any NBTA member has posted on that thread. I'm not a member but like to be open to both sides of the debate. What's the point of debating with people who are locked inside a bubble and don't want to consider other solutions other than cleansing the system of undesirables? I know, I should know better than to waste my time on there really. I think the real issue here is that many of those in the NBTA have serious real life issues which affect their family and lifestyle, whereas many of the people on CWF are just bored and using an Internet forum to show how clever they are. I'm sure they have better things to do than argue with a bunch of old tossers. I am not 'going' anywhere in particular. I actually thought the exchange between you and Phil A was quite interesting. It still strikes me though that some elements that support more lenient application of the CC guidelines just expect to have things there own way and that no body should challenge them and anybody that does is an idiot or a bunch of old tossers. Hardly meaningful debate surely? It is the denial of and accurate representation of the issues thats the thing surely
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 13:34:37 GMT
I don't know where you are going on this post either. Very few people defend the views of the NBTA on CWF . In fact I'm not sure if any NBTA member has posted on that thread. I'm not a member but like to be open to both sides of the debate. What's the point of debating with people who are locked inside a bubble and don't want to consider other solutions other than cleansing the system of undesirables? I know, I should know better than to waste my time on there really. I think the real issue here is that many of those in the NBTA have serious real life issues which affect their family and lifestyle, whereas many of the people on CWF are just bored and using an Internet forum to show how clever they are. I'm sure they have better things to do than argue with a bunch of old tossers. I am not 'going' anywhere in particular. I actually thought the exchange between you and Phil A was quite interesting. It still strikes me though that some elements that support more lenient application of the CC guidelines just expect to have things there own way and that no body should challenge them and anybody that does is an idiot or a bunch of old tossers. Hardly meaningful debate surely? There's also a few people on there who don't seem to be interested in adding anything useful to the debate and just want to wind people up. Sound familiar?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 14:08:48 GMT
I am not 'going' anywhere in particular. I actually thought the exchange between you and Phil A was quite interesting. It still strikes me though that some elements that support more lenient application of the CC guidelines just expect to have things there own way and that no body should challenge them and anybody that does is an idiot or a bunch of old tossers. Hardly meaningful debate surely? There's also a few people on there who don't seem to be interested in adding anything useful to the debate and just want to wind people up. Sound familiar? Thats the way of forums.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 14:13:58 GMT
There's also a few people on there who don't seem to be interested in adding anything useful to the debate and just want to wind people up. Sound familiar? Thats the way of forums. Martin,can I ask if you see a slight change in people regarding the NBTA and their stealing a march on CRT public relation wise. I got the feeling some are even a little fearful of change.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 14:54:25 GMT
Martin,can I ask if you see a slight change in people regarding the NBTA and their stealing a march on CRT public relation wise. I got the feeling some are even a little fearful of change. I think people are as polarised as ever. I think a section of the community at large will have sympathy for their position but I suspect people are not taken in by the tack of the down trodden poor boaters versus an out of control bureaucracy argument. Sadly they will be judged on how they come across and present themselves which looking at the various recent news articles means a lot of people will see them as freeloading tree hugging water gypsies who have taken up a lifestyle knowing the rules and now want to bend them or preferably ignore them completely.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 14:56:43 GMT
Martin,can I ask if you see a slight change in people regarding the NBTA and their stealing a march on CRT public relation wise. I got the feeling some are even a little fearful of change. I think people are as polarised as ever. I think a section of the community at large will have sympathy for their position but I suspect people are not taken in by the tack of the down trodden poor boaters versus an out of control bureaucracy argument. Sadly they will be judged on how they come across and present themselves which looking at the various recent news articles means a lot of people will see them as freeloading tree hugging water gypsies who have taken up a lifestyle knowing the rules and now want to bend them or preferably ignore them completely. Wasn't my impression but thanks for that
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Post by sabcat on May 11, 2016 22:01:45 GMT
They are, in London at least, linking themselves in with the wider struggle over housing which is a smart move in my view. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I for one wish them the best but then you all knew that any way
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Post by kris on May 12, 2016 9:05:10 GMT
They are, in London at least, linking themselves in with the wider struggle over housing which is a smart move in my view. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I for one wish them the best but then you all knew that any way I think they have already done really well bringing Such awareness to a minority issue. I'm shure Crt thought they would just steam roller in these changes without much opposition.
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