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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 7:59:21 GMT
I also know people who have bought land, then been evicted off it. You can get round it, but you have to be sneaky. The Welsh government have made it easier, I can't remember the name of the scheme. But I've got friends doing it in Wales, but there are alsorts of restrictions one of them being you have to be making money in 4 years time. But it is easier, including building Eco houses. (I don't know the details, but it is encouraging that they are looking at other ideas of land usage/managment.) I think the thing that Crt ( and a lot of the better off boaters) forget is that a lot of the people they are trying to get off the water, have nowhere else to go. So they are going to fight, its not like most boaters have a land based property to move into. I'm fucked if I'm going to move into an exspensive rental property, so that I have to work all week to keep some buy to let landlord in luxury.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 8:26:24 GMT
Can't agree there Delta. Ely was being overrun by people living on narrowboats hogging most of the space making it very difficult for those of us visiting to get in. Why should Ely be for the sole preserve of those who choose to live on a boat without paying their way? Your model any stretch of mooring becomes a free for all. Hows that acceptable? I can't help but feel you miss the point that life ain't fair, I had the Earl of Upton Mill (an arsehole ex team leader of mine) complain that prince Charlie's development at Upton grange in Northampton would end up encroaching on his bit of rural utopia, he didn't want to live cheek by jowl on an estate - Hard lines I'm afraid, the rest of us manage. If other options were available there wouldn't be a problem. I originally wanted to buy some woodland and build a small cabin or park up there in my motorhome, but it isn't permitted. My friend bought 6 acres of woods and set up home in a little caravan. He had only been there three weeks when a local busy body walking her dog on his land (trespassing) spotted him and reported him. He found an eviction notice pinned to his door. If you can't even live on your own land when you have acres of it what else are you going to do? You'll never catch me living in an expensive and shit rental flat in a town I don't want to be in. If my lifestyle pisses people off that is tough shit. They should have let me buy my woodland and build my cabin. As you say, life isn't fair. If you won't let me live on my own land don't be surprised when I start living on someone else's.. You're right in as much as sympathetic use of plots shouldn't harm anyone or be restricted, the problem lies between the fear of someone building a shanty dwelling right next to some rich fuckers pile. Hence why the busy body gets involved.. I haven't the time to tell of my friend in Silverstone battles over the years with his neighbours over his small holding and his use of it. Suffice to say that some very wealthy people have made a guy scratching a living from a small patch of land life very hard indeed. Shitting on the little guy - same as it ever was
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 8:32:01 GMT
I also know people who have bought land, then been evicted off it. You can get round it, but you have to be sneaky. The Welsh government have made it easier, I can't remember the name of the scheme. But I've got friends doing it in Wales, but there are alsorts of restrictions one of them being you have to be making money in 4 years time. But it is easier, including building Eco houses. (I don't know the details, but it is encouraging that they are looking at other ideas of land usage/managment.) I think the thing that Crt ( and a lot of the better off boaters) forget is that a lot of the people they are trying to get off the water, have nowhere else to go. So they are going to fight, its not like most boaters have a land based property to move into. I'm fucked if I'm going to move into an exspensive rental property, so that I have to work all week to keep some buy to let landlord in luxury. And that's why I posted that Floyd track, it's all its about. Some like you will buck the trend, the majority can't or won't. Me, I plough my own furrow but do get a but pissed off at the if I can't have it by fair means I'll have it by foul, which is the equivalent of pitching up opposites an expensive marina in a nice fenland town and sticking two fingers up at everyone else that pays their way. This then leads to those with money moaning like fuck about the spongers getting the same as them for nowt leading to the problems now being faced by those sticking their finger up.... See the common link - Money, those that have it and those that don't.
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 8:35:45 GMT
You keep saying things like this as if it can't change. Keep backing people into a corner and they will fight back. The pressures have been building for along while, I think the housing issue is the one that will blow the lid off. After all if you don't have anywhere to live, you can't even have the pretence of a decent life.
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Post by Delta9 on May 13, 2016 8:36:41 GMT
You're right in as much as sympathetic use of plots shouldn't harm anyone or be restricted, the problem lies between the fear of someone building a shanty dwelling right next to some rich fuckers pile. Hence why the busy body gets involved.. I haven't the time to tell of my friend in Silverstone battles over the years with his neighbours over his small holding and his use of it. Suffice to say that some very wealthy people have made a guy scratching a living from a small patch of land life very hard indeed. Shitting on the little guy - same as it ever was I can see why people don't want the country side over developed, but it could be easily prevented with plot size restrictions. For example, a 5 acre plot allows building of a small cabin, a 10 acre plot a 1 bedroom house, a 20 acre plot a 2 bedroom house, and so on...
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 8:45:19 GMT
The vast majority of the worlds population, see this bright sparkly lifestyle dangled in front of them, through the Internet, tv and films. They are never going to get that, it's a fact that the earth can't support the "western lifestyle" for everybody. But show people something, then tell them they can't have it. Eventually they will take it. Look at the mass migration into Europe, okay lots are fleeing war buts lots are coming to get abit of the lifestyle they've seen through the media. Money can only insulate people from the realities for a while.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 8:46:42 GMT
You're right in as much as sympathetic use of plots shouldn't harm anyone or be restricted, the problem lies between the fear of someone building a shanty dwelling right next to some rich fuckers pile. Hence why the busy body gets involved.. I haven't the time to tell of my friend in Silverstone battles over the years with his neighbours over his small holding and his use of it. Suffice to say that some very wealthy people have made a guy scratching a living from a small patch of land life very hard indeed. Shitting on the little guy - same as it ever was I can see why people don't want the country side over developed, but it could be easily prevented with plot size restrictions. For example, a 5 acre plot allows building of a small cabin, a 10 acre plot a 1 bedroom house, a 20 acre plot a 2 bedroom house, and so on... Absolutely sensible idea, now all you need to do is get the selfish rich bastard that neighbours you to agree! My mate lives near to Latton Wharf on the old Thames and Severn canal at Cricklade, he has neighbours between him and the Wharf in his parents old house, they sold it but kept the land to build their bungalow on. His neighbours in the old family house have made life difficult for them, who knows why? If you put that proposal to the neighbour he'd be off down the council quick smart to object - it would have little impact in him, but there is nothing like a NIMBY to fuck someone else over!
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 8:50:30 GMT
[I can see why people don't want the country side over developed, but it could be easily prevented with plot size restrictions. For example, a 5 acre plot allows building of a small cabin, a 10 acre plot a 1 bedroom house, a 20 acre plot a 2 bedroom house, and so on... [ In the past a lot more people would have lived in the countryside because it took more people to work the land. My advice delta if you really want land move to Wales, it's happening there now.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 8:54:45 GMT
You keep saying things like this as if it can't change. Keep backing people into a corner and they will fight back. The pressures have been building for along while, I think the housing issue is the one that will blow the lid off. After all if you don't have anywhere to live, you can't even have the pretence of a decent life. Trouble is its like trying to shove shit uphill isn't it? Everything is geared to make it so, getting back to the situation boaters find themselves in, how many have beaten the establishment? How many are likely to do so in the future?
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 9:03:25 GMT
It's not about beating the establishmen, it's about becoming the establishment. As for the boating situation. Every case of a limited liscence being offered that Nbta(London) have become involved in has been overturned and a 12month liscence given. It's not about sharing resources as Crt say, it's about getting a certain kind of boater off the water. Well tough shit myself and a lot of other people aren't going any where. They are not their waterways they are our waterways.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 9:28:13 GMT
It's not about beating the establishmen, it's about becoming the establishment. As for the boating situation. Every case of a limited liscence being offered that Nbta(London) have become involved in has been overturned and a 12month liscence given. It's not about sharing resources as Crt say, it's about getting a certain kind of boater off the water. Well tough shit myself and a lot of other people aren't going any where. They are not their waterways they are our waterways. But C&RT ARE the establishment and a disparate bunch of boaters have little or no chance of toppling them, surely?
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 10:06:03 GMT
If you think like that then it's your truth your reality that your creating. Crt are the organisation, that have the duty to hold the waterways in trust for the nation. That means they are there to serve us the nation.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 10:43:46 GMT
I disagree Kris, the NHS, the Police, Education, The armed Forces are all for the nation as you put it, look at the amount of corruption and scandal across those, why should C&RT be any different?
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 11:18:23 GMT
What's your point? They are all corrupt so it's okay?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 11:38:14 GMT
No, not at all, the point is its the way of the world.
Saying C&RT should dance to our tune is no different to expecting any other government departments to by beyond reproach, it ain't gonna happen.
I always look for the path of least resistance, maybe I'm a bit lazy, too busy, don't have enough vested in the cause, I don't know what reason, but being on a crusade - not just against C&RT but any of the self serving bastard's would get me down.
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