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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 15:12:06 GMT
Shame because it's not a bad read. It's been recognised as the best text on military tactics and strategy since it was written in the 5th century bc. It's still taught in military academy's across the world and used by a lot of politicians and business leaders. The first rule of guerrilla warfare is use the enemy's weapons against them. So in that context the statement I made. "It's not about beating the establishment, it's about becoming the establishment." Basically means don't waste energy on breaking down the systems that already exist. Take them over and make them work for us. It's not revolution, it's evolution.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 15:25:48 GMT
Military Tactics and Strategy,sounds a bit Citizen Smith,but listen,keep taking the pills and remember I am here for you if you need to talk?
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 15:38:26 GMT
Hang on, they are trying to take the lifestyle that I enjoy away from me. Also threatening to steal my boat and everything I own all the collateral I have. In my book that's war. I'm willing to fight to retain what I have. For clarification I'm not talking about violence. Tony dunkley is the perfect embodiment of what I'm talking about. They tried to use the law against him, so he took the weapon Crt where using and beat them around the head with it . You can see the strategies I'm talking about in use everywhere when you know what to look for. How come China has become so powerful? It's taken the system that it was in opposition to capitalism, and used it against the capitalists countries. Anybody who thinks they are not the worlds superpower is deluding their self.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 13, 2016 15:51:42 GMT
It's kind of a Taoist statement, the art of war by sun tzu is well worth reading. Books worth reading:
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 16:05:15 GMT
Sorry if my last few posts have been a bit deep for you. I know humour is away of assimilating something you don't quite understand. But believe me Crt have a plan and strategies in place to achieve that plan.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 16:22:54 GMT
Hang on, they are trying to take the lifestyle that I enjoy away from me. Also threatening to steal my boat and everything I own all the collateral I have. In my book that's war. I'm willing to fight to retain what I have. For clarification I'm not talking about violence. Tony dunkley is the perfect embodiment of what I'm talking about. They tried to use the law against him, so he took the weapon Crt where using and beat them around the head with it . You can see the strategies I'm talking about in use everywhere when you know what to look for. How come China has become so powerful? It's taken the system that it was in opposition to capitalism, and used it against the capitalists countries. Anybody who thinks they are not the worlds superpower is deluding their self. I think we have to be realistic and keep things real,NBTA have to share these aims as well lest we sink into oblivion. We can't simply go to court shouting my boat and my lifestyle and everything I own are being or are in danger of being taken by CRT,I don't think a lifestyle in danger argument is going anywhere.The issues are clear, nowhere is there a distance requirement legally laid down for CC so why should I loose my home for not moving far enough ?Pure,simple and concise, easy for the court of public opinion to understand. People are struggling with the biggest recession the world has ever seen,we begin to look like lazy freeloaders demanding a lifestyle that half the country can't even aspire to. Good luck to Tony Dunkley and everyone else but when your dealing with Public Opinion,appearing on TV etc,a bit of thought and intelligence is required and no doubt Tony will tell you the same.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 16:25:35 GMT
Sorry if my last few posts have been a bit deep for you. I know humour is away of assimilating something you don't quite understand. But believe me Crt have a plan and strategies in place to achieve that plan. I think I understand as much as you do.
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Post by peterboat on May 13, 2016 16:28:27 GMT
Hang on, they are trying to take the lifestyle that I enjoy away from me. Also threatening to steal my boat and everything I own all the collateral I have. In my book that's war. I'm willing to fight to retain what I have. For clarification I'm not talking about violence. Tony dunkley is the perfect embodiment of what I'm talking about. They tried to use the law against him, so he took the weapon Crt where using and beat them around the head with it . You can see the strategies I'm talking about in use everywhere when you know what to look for. How come China has become so powerful? It's taken the system that it was in opposition to capitalism, and used it against the capitalists countries. Anybody who thinks they are not the worlds superpower is deluding their self. I think we have to be realistic and keep things real,NBTA have to share these aims as well lest we sink into oblivion. We can't simply go to court shouting my boat and my lifestyle and everything I own are being or are in danger of being taken by CRT,I don't think a lifestyle in danger argument is going anywhere.The issues are clear, nowhere is there a distance requirement legally laid down for CC so why should I loose my home for not moving far enough ?Pure,simple and concise, easy for the court of public opinion to understand. People are struggling with the biggest recession the world has ever seen,we begin to look like lazy freeloaders demanding a lifestyle that half the country can't even aspire to. Good luck to Tony Dunkley and everyone else but when your dealing with Public Opinion,appearing on TV etc,a bit of thought and intelligence is required and no doubt Tony will tell you the same. I dont think you are in any danger are you Paul? I thought you moved a lot or have I picked you up wrong? Have you had a letter from CRT about your cruising patterns at all?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 16:30:38 GMT
It's kind of a Taoist statement, the art of war by sun tzu is well worth reading. Bloody hell Kris! No wonder I missed the mark! Nearest I get to that sort of thing is having read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance - load of hype over it from a deep thinking mate of mine, I thought it was shit I freely admit to being a bit of a Luddite where things like that are concerned.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 16:33:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 16:38:45 GMT
I think we have to be realistic and keep things real,NBTA have to share these aims as well lest we sink into oblivion. We can't simply go to court shouting my boat and my lifestyle and everything I own are being or are in danger of being taken by CRT,I don't think a lifestyle in danger argument is going anywhere.The issues are clear, nowhere is there a distance requirement legally laid down for CC so why should I loose my home for not moving far enough ?Pure,simple and concise, easy for the court of public opinion to understand. People are struggling with the biggest recession the world has ever seen,we begin to look like lazy freeloaders demanding a lifestyle that half the country can't even aspire to. Good luck to Tony Dunkley and everyone else but when your dealing with Public Opinion,appearing on TV etc,a bit of thought and intelligence is required and no doubt Tony will tell you the same. I dont think you are in any danger are you Paul? I thought you moved a lot or have I picked you up wrong? Have you had a letter from CRT about your cruising patterns at all? No Peter I am in no danger and I move in excess of CRT guidelines but that gives me no particular comfort,such is the climate.I haven't had any letters. I am just saying to Kris that we are entering an interesting phase both with the NBTA as a credible vehicle and the Media giving us some sympathetic coverage, the Public are also being awakened to this "situation" also and its therefore vital they are given the right issues at the right time and not some idiots shouting about lifestyle and making unrealistic demands.Kris has said that maybe I use humour to cover up my lack of understanding in my previous posts when I perhaps took the piss about his reading material.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 16:44:46 GMT
It's kind of a Taoist statement, the art of war by sun tzu is well worth reading. Bloody hell Kris! No wonder I missed the mark! Nearest I get to that sort of thing is having read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance - load of hype over it from a deep thinking mate of mine, I thought it was shit I freely admit to being a bit of a Luddite where things like that are concerned. Don't listen to that bollocks he borrowed the book of some Socialist Worker Bird during that March Against Austerity "Pretending an Interest" is how Burroughs described it.
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 16:50:16 GMT
Sorry if my last few posts have been a bit deep for you. I know humour is away of assimilating something you don't quite understand. But believe me Crt have a plan and strategies in place to achieve that plan. I think I understand as much as you do. Don't get defensive I'm not questioning your intelligence. When have I appeared on Tv saying anything? if you see me on tv you have my permission to hit me. I use the example of having the lifestyle taken away because I know you understand the joys of the lifestyle. I was pointing out that Crt or a certain element within Crt have declared war on livaboard boaters. Because they see them standing in the way of them implementing their plans. So having a plan and strategies in place to counter there's is important. As for the issue of distance I think this is a little bit of a red herring, I think the best argument is the one I hear Nigel Moore talking about a lot. Why do Crt always go for the nuclear option of section 8 to deal with any infringement of bye laws? When there are other options open to them, including upto £1000 fines. I think this argument plus exposing the underhand illegal tactics that they use, is a much better line than getting into arguments about distance.
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Post by kris on May 13, 2016 16:55:12 GMT
Bloody hell Kris! No wonder I missed the mark! Nearest I get to that sort of thing is having read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance - load of hype over it from a deep thinking mate of mine, I thought it was shit I freely admit to being a bit of a Luddite where things like that are concerned. Don't listen to that bollocks he borrowed the book of some Socialist Worker Bird during that March Against Austerity "Pretending an Interest" is how Burroughs described it. It's that dismissal through humour again. It does you no favours. I've studied the dao for a long time. I've also been involved in a lot of campaigns that achieved their aims, overcoming seemingly insurmountable odds.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 17:10:40 GMT
I think I understand as much as you do. Don't get defensive I'm not questioning your intelligence. When have I appeared on Tv saying anything? if you see me on tv you have my permission to hit me. I use the example of having the lifestyle taken away because I know you understand the joys of the lifestyle. I was pointing out that Crt or a certain element within Crt have declared war on livaboard boaters. Because they see them standing in the way of them implementing their plans. So having a plan and strategies in place to counter there's is important. As for the issue of distance I think this is a little bit of a red herring, I think the best argument is the one I hear Nigel Moore talking about a lot. Why do Crt always go for the nuclear option of section 8 to deal with any infringement of bye laws? When there are other options open to them, including upto £1000 fines. I think this argument plus exposing the underhand illegal tactics that they use, is a much better line than getting into arguments about distance. You misunderstand completely.I never said you were on TV, I said the issues had some TV coverage.What NBTA are about is getting Public Opinion on their side,among ourselves on Demos we can shout what we like,I merely suggest that to get the public on your side what you shout has to be modified.Nigel Moore is not talking about making a case to court public opinion,he is talking about presenting a case before a judge and bolstering that case.If the distance question was sorted with the CRT then what importance would Section 8 have ? very little exept for unlicensed and abandoned craft.If CRT are going to be defeated in the court of public opinion before we even get into a legal framework, then the issue of distance is far from a red herring. The message has got to be clear and concise,you saw on television how Mike Grimes reacted and how a simple question made him look like a bureaucratic dictator operating outwith the law. I repeat the question is this,Why are boaters loosing their homes for not moving far enough,when the law provides no distance requirement ?
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