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Post by Jim on Jun 9, 2017 8:52:39 GMT
Well that's that job sorted. Having to rely on the DUP and the Scots Tories, and Remaining Tories, will lead us to a soft brexit, best for us financially.
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Post by kris on Jun 9, 2017 8:59:09 GMT
Not really because the eu negotiators know that they are relying on support from the DUP and the Scottish Tories so they will use that advantage to stuffs us good and proper.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 9, 2017 9:28:08 GMT
I think we will end up with hard Brexit because of the reasons Kris outlines
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 9:28:45 GMT
Well that's that job sorted. Having to rely on the DUP and the Scots Tories, and Remaining Tories, will lead us to a soft brexit, best for us financially. You are of course missing that Nige the Farge has announced this morning he will make a return to politics if we end up with a 'soft' Brexit, though he didn't quite specify in what capacity or what he intended to do about it. So all is not lost for the hard brexiteers.....Nige will save them. cough. |
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Post by JohnV on Jun 9, 2017 11:46:42 GMT
Well that's that job sorted. Having to rely on the DUP and the Scots Tories, and Remaining Tories, will lead us to a soft brexit, best for us financially. Soft Brexit ... Hard Brexit ...... Totally meaningless phrases that everyone involved in the cry for soft Brexi, is careful not to explain in too much detail nor are they willing to explain what they mean by hard brexit. There is Brexit. That means we leave the EU We have to negotiate what it costs us to leave and negotiate the conditions which we will deal with the EU. Those who use the term "soft Brexit" tell you it means keeping access to the EU market on the same kind of terms as we have now. Don't people listen ? The EU has clearly indicated that access to the free market is not possible unless you allow the free movement of labour. (and I suspect would now probably insist we joined the Schengen agreement) Are people completely stupid ? The free movement of people across borders in the EU is one of the main reasons the majority voted to leave the EU. Those shouting for "soft Brexit" are basically saying "yes we accept the will of the people to leave the EU but we are going to negotiate a method of leaving that in effect negates most of what was voted for. |
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Post by Jim on Jun 9, 2017 12:30:13 GMT
Well that's that job sorted. Having to rely on the DUP and the Scots Tories, and Remaining Tories, will lead us to a soft brexit, best for us financially. Soft Brexit ... Hard Brexit ...... Totally meaningless phrases that everyone involved in the cry for soft Brexi, is careful not to explain in too much detail nor are they willing to explain what they mean by hard brexit. There is Brexit. That means we leave the EU We have to negotiate what it costs us to leave and negotiate the conditions which we will deal with the EU. Those who use the term "soft Brexit" tell you it means keeping access to the EU market on the same kind of terms as we have now. Don't people listen ? The EU has clearly indicated that access to the free market is not possible unless you allow the free movement of labour. (and I suspect would now probably insist we joined the Schengen agreement) Are people completely stupid ? The free movement of people across borders in the EU is one of the main reasons the majority voted to leave the EU. Those shouting for "soft Brexit" are basically saying "yes we accept the will of the people to leave the EU but we are going to negotiate a method of leaving that in effect negates most of what was voted for. So where can I confirm exactly what would be negotiated when we had the referendum, where 28% of the populace voted to leave? It wasn't clarified then, people voted for a whole variety of reasons. So let's have a 2nd referendum when we know what we are heading for. |
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Post by JohnV on Jun 9, 2017 12:43:20 GMT
Soft Brexit ... Hard Brexit ...... Totally meaningless phrases that everyone involved in the cry for soft Brexi, is careful not to explain in too much detail nor are they willing to explain what they mean by hard brexit. There is Brexit. That means we leave the EU We have to negotiate what it costs us to leave and negotiate the conditions which we will deal with the EU. Those who use the term "soft Brexit" tell you it means keeping access to the EU market on the same kind of terms as we have now. Don't people listen ? The EU has clearly indicated that access to the free market is not possible unless you allow the free movement of labour. (and I suspect would now probably insist we joined the Schengen agreement) Are people completely stupid ? The free movement of people across borders in the EU is one of the main reasons the majority voted to leave the EU. Those shouting for "soft Brexit" are basically saying "yes we accept the will of the people to leave the EU but we are going to negotiate a method of leaving that in effect negates most of what was voted for. So where can I confirm exactly what would be negotiated when we had the referendum, where 28% of the populace voted to leave? It wasn't clarified then, people voted for a whole variety of reasons. So let's have a 2nd referendum when we know what we are heading for. Christ on a bike ........ I don't agree with the majority. Let's have another vote to see if we can get an answer I like |
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Post by kris on Jun 9, 2017 13:20:10 GMT
So where can I confirm exactly what would be negotiated when we had the referendum, where 28% of the populace voted to leave? It wasn't clarified then, people voted for a whole variety of reasons. So let's have a 2nd referendum when we know what we are heading for. Christ on a bike ........ I don't agree with the majority. Let's have another vote to see if we can get an answer I like or if the people don't get it right the second time, maybe we could have a third referendum or a fourth even until the right result is obtained. |
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Post by Albion on Jun 9, 2017 13:34:15 GMT
Christ on a bike ........ I don't agree with the majority. Let's have another vote to see if we can get an answer I like or if the people don't get it right the second time, maybe we could have a third referendum or a fourth even until the right result is obtained. As they have done in other EU countries of course. The EU bureaucrats cannot stand anyone defying their leadership aims and ambitions even knowing that it isn't popular and that they are pushing too hard and too fast. Roger |
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Post by kris on Jun 9, 2017 13:40:37 GMT
or if the people don't get it right the second time, maybe we could have a third referendum or a fourth even until the right result is obtained. As they have done in other EU countries of course. The EU bureaucrats cannot stand anyone defying their leadership aims and ambitions even knowing that it isn't popular and that they are pushing too hard and too fast. Roger i was living in Ireland when they where made to vote again on the Lisbon treaty, because they had got it wrong. |
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Post by Jim on Jun 9, 2017 13:41:14 GMT
Christ on a bike ........ I don't agree with the majority. Let's have another vote to see if we can get an answer I like or if the people don't get it right the second time, maybe we could have a third referendum or a fourth even until the right result is obtained. Now there's a thought. A Good strategy for May to adopt, until everyone loves her and she can issue unchallenged dictats! But while we are waiting could you tell me what Brexit means? |
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Post by JohnV on Jun 9, 2017 14:01:36 GMT
We leave.
British law takes precedence over EU law
Eu standards etc on goods only apply to goods and services supplied to the EU and it's members
Immigration is limited to those people we wish to come here, who have skills that we need and not just because they want to move here because of better wages/conditions than exist in their own countries.
Getting rid of hidebound regulations issued by unaccountable bureaucrats that have no relevance to this country but have been applied Europe wide.
Getting rid of a huge, expensive, corrupt, ponderous layer of government that seems specifically designed by those with a nose in the trough to provide even bigger pickings and pensions.
How about that lot for starters
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Post by Saltysplash on Jun 9, 2017 14:03:18 GMT
or if the people don't get it right the second time, maybe we could have a third referendum or a fourth even until the right result is obtained. Now there's a thought. A Good strategy for May to adopt, until everyone loves her and she can issue unchallenged dictats! But while we are waiting could you tell me what Brexit means? Yes, leaving the EU. All of it. Wonder if Nick Clegg will be asking for another vote in his ex-constituancy because they didnt realise they would be voting him out. Its just complete Bollox. May has dropped one big style. they were running with 20 odd percent lead till they come up with a stupid manifesto and then it all went bent. Corbyn has been anti Eu all his political life till he became labour leader and suddenly he likes the single market! They are all a bunch of fu*king lying turncoat rich ba*stard sound biting never giving cool tasting pepsi........sorry, dont know where i was going with that last bit. If you thought the pound suffered due to the brexit vote, see what happend last night when Labour started winning seats........It didnt so much drop, more like plummet. Of course, i blame UKIP, they went into melt down following the referendum, infighting and stupidness, then failed in this election, which shouldve been all about brexit and not the Tory manifesto, to tell the Ukip voters to vote for the party that will deliver brexit. Then 5 years later reassess, but no, they blew it charlie brown. I predict another election by October. minus May as Tory leader |
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Post by kris on Jun 9, 2017 14:14:29 GMT
or if the people don't get it right the second time, maybe we could have a third referendum or a fourth even until the right result is obtained. Now there's a thought. A Good strategy for May to adopt, until everyone loves her and she can issue unchallenged dictats! But while we are waiting could you tell me what Brexit means? i thought it was obvious what brexit means. We are just confirming what the rest of Europe has thought for a long time. That we are a bunch of island dwelling, sweary chip shouldered weirdos that live off the west coast of Europe. Better to just except who we are and get on with it. In the long term I think we are better off out of a federal Europe ruled by Germany. It can only go tits up, trying to make an economic union out of so many disparate economy's. It's only a matter of time before the house of cards comes crashing down. I mean it's worked out well for Spain and Greece hasnt it? The Eurocrats will extract there revenge from us though, because we've dared to go against them. |
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 9, 2017 14:26:56 GMT
Another election...why?
Because they can.
Because they want total power.
Because they do not want parliament to represent the electorate.
Because they don't want to come to agreements on what is good for the population at large in parliament with other duly elected representatives of the electorate, they want kick them and their supporters in the goolies.
Nigel Farage was riding a crest of this view on politics and so eas Donald Trump.
Nigel suddenly quit because his next step would have had enough support to truly threaten the establishment. Or did someone have a quiet word that it might all go a bit Princess Di?
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