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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 9:15:54 GMT
I'm not too worried baring any un for seen snags, I should be able to start moving again later this week. I got my new engine started yesterday. So just a few things like throttle linkage to get sorted. I just find it interesting that Crt feel able to tell me which direction to navigate. It's just an example of how they want to micro manage everything. As I understand it legally I could move to another place, then after 14days move back to this place if I wanted. There being no legal requirement for me to keep moving in one direction. If you have overstayed then CRT have issued you a notice,where is the micromanagement in that ? did you inform them that you would be overstaying ? If Medlock is your boat and you say the EO is a nice guy didn't you ask him why he had added "you have to return to your mooring please" If you have a mooring,I think CRT being obviously aware of this fact have just written this down with no malice whatsoever,if you were a continuous cruiser it would say "continue with your cruise please".Everyone here knows the Legal Position and of course you could do as you suggest,which begs the next question, why don't you ? I disagree completely that this is micromanagement of any sort,he can't ask you to continue with your cruise as you aren't a continuous cruiser so instead has asked you to take the boat back to its mooring.You seem to have drip fed us the facts,why didn't you ask for an authorised overstay ? Our friend Tadworth to his credit was the first to pick up on the lack of information provided,I suppose like me he will be surprised to learn that Medlock is your craft. I wonder if you have posted this on the other channel,I can well imagine the reception you would get there,still with your study of "The art of war"you may consider that you would be well prepared ? I doubt it. I think CRT's obsession with enforcement has created a kind of self perpetuated micro management. Everyone in that department probably feels they have to justify their role by finding problems. So boaters are increasingly getting hassled by them in the same way we are getting more bamboozled by the increase in confusing (and dubious) signage. As you say you are an active member of the NBTA I'm curious why you seem to be clashing with Kris. I think he just wants to get his boat going again so he can enjoy cruising. So long as he is staying within the law then CRT have no business in harassing him. As I understand it, he has been proactive by keeping CRT updated but I think they have made it hard work for him at times. Sorry Kris if I'm out of order here, I know you can speak for yourself. Just trying to work out what the problem is (one if my annoying traits I'm afraid)
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 9:37:52 GMT
If you have overstayed then CRT have issued you a notice,where is the micromanagement in that ? did you inform them that you would be overstaying ? If Medlock is your boat and you say the EO is a nice guy didn't you ask him why he had added "you have to return to your mooring please" If you have a mooring,I think CRT being obviously aware of this fact have just written this down with no malice whatsoever,if you were a continuous cruiser it would say "continue with your cruise please".Everyone here knows the Legal Position and of course you could do as you suggest,which begs the next question, why don't you ? I disagree completely that this is micromanagement of any sort,he can't ask you to continue with your cruise as you aren't a continuous cruiser so instead has asked you to take the boat back to its mooring.You seem to have drip fed us the facts,why didn't you ask for an authorised overstay ? Our friend Tadworth to his credit was the first to pick up on the lack of information provided,I suppose like me he will be surprised to learn that Medlock is your craft. I wonder if you have posted this on the other channel,I can well imagine the reception you would get there,still with your study of "The art of war"you may consider that you would be well prepared ? I doubt it. I think CRT's obsession with enforcement has created a kind of self perpetuated micro management. Everyone in that department probably feels they have to justify their role by finding problems. So boaters are increasingly getting hassled by them in the same way we are getting more bamboozled by the increase in confusing (and dubious) signage. As you say you are an active member of the NBTA I'm curious why you seem to be clashing with Kris. I think he just wants to get his boat going again so he can enjoy cruising. So long as he is staying within the law then CRT have no business in harassing him. As I understand it, he has been proactive by keeping CRT updated but I think they have made it hard work for him at times. Sorry Kris if I'm out of order here, I know you can speak for yourself. Just trying to work out what the problem is (one if my annoying traits I'm afraid) I am a member of the NBTA because I judge them to be the sole organisation prepared to actively defend boaters rights and as regards Kris,I am not clashing with him merely questioning the existence of this micromanagement policy.Can I ask if we can set signage and all the rest of it to the side for a moment? The problem with Kris and this thread is it lacks information,which is why I have raised the points I have,if you have additional understanding of Kris and his plight then its more than the rest of us have.In summary then,we have a post that lacks information yet are being told its another case of CRT Micromanagement,you see the problem?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 9:49:25 GMT
Oh well I suppose you can't have an Internet forum without a troll, cds you have become Thundeboat's resident troll. So just tootle off back under your bridge like a good little troll, this is all the food you will be getting from me. How you can think I am a Troll after the content of my posts on your thread is frankly unbelievable. It seems to me that you post a picture of an Enforcement Notice and ask some question which every boater knows the answer to in an attempt to play your favourite role of "the boy who cried wolf". As soon as I raise an opinion contrary to yours or question you further I am a Troll ? I thought we were here to have some debate,does that debate come with a prerequisite that everyone taking part has to agree with the person that started the thread? I invite you to take your post onto the other channel and see how you fair,when they raise the same VALID points that I have you can call them Trolls as well.
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Post by kris on May 15, 2016 9:50:30 GMT
I don't intend to post the minutiae of my life on a public forum but here are some details for people who are interested. I broke down in this spot, I did inform Crt that I would be overstaying before actually overstaying. It turned into a much bigger job than imagined and has taken a lot longer than anticipated. After the initial hassle I received from Crt which I posted on cwdf about, I started posting pictures of the work to managment in Crt. So they could see I wasnt lying about the situation. I decided to buy a mooring to show willing and ensure being able to liscence my boat. Being aware that Crt current strategy is to refuse a licence then taking you to court for having an unlicensed boat. Ensuring you don't even get chance to discuss the reasons. The mooring is where I intend to end up on the boat for a while. This has been hunky dory with Crt until recently again, where obviously they have decided it's my time for some attention again. As I have already said, I'm not worried I will be moving shortly hopefully this week. But the reason for me posting the notice is that, I think they are over stepping the mark, yes they can tell me to move on but not the direction of that movement.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 9:52:36 GMT
Edited. Answer given as I posted.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 9:58:18 GMT
Can I ask then,where do you get this impression "that its your time again for some attention" what have CRT done or said ?
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Post by kris on May 15, 2016 10:45:33 GMT
Maybe some of the smug boaters with home moorings will begin to realise, that what's happening With Crt at the moment will effect every boater not just cc'ers. The policy of just keeping your head down and hoping everything will be alright isn't a viable option.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 10:47:28 GMT
Can I ask then,where do you get this impression "that its your time again for some attention" what have CRT done or said ? Are you suggesting CRT don't pick on individuals? Lots in the NBTA have been picked on so I understand.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 10:48:37 GMT
The policy of just keeping your head down and hoping everything will be alright isn't a viable option. Well it seems to be at the moment...
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Post by tadworth on May 15, 2016 11:05:13 GMT
I'm not too worried baring any un for seen snags, I should be able to start moving again later this week. I got my new engine started yesterday. So just a few things like throttle linkage to get sorted. I just find it interesting that Crt feel able to tell me which direction to navigate. It's just an example of how they want to micro manage everything. As I understand it legally I could move to another place, then after 14days move back to this place if I wanted. There being no legal requirement for me to keep moving in one direction. If you have overstayed then CRT have issued you a notice,where is the micromanagement in that ? did you inform them that you would be overstaying ? If Medlock is your boat and you say the EO is a nice guy didn't you ask him why he had added "you have to return to your mooring please" If you have a mooring,I think CRT being obviously aware of this fact have just written this down with no malice whatsoever,if you were a continuous cruiser it would say "continue with your cruise please".Everyone here knows the Legal Position and of course you could do as you suggest,which begs the next question, why don't you ? I disagree completely that this is micromanagement of any sort,he can't ask you to continue with your cruise as you aren't a continuous cruiser so instead has asked you to take the boat back to its mooring.You seem to have drip fed us the facts,why didn't you ask for an authorised overstay ? Our friend Tadworth to his credit was the first to pick up on the lack of information provided,I suppose like me he will be surprised to learn that Medlock is your craft. I wonder if you have posted this on the other channel,I can well imagine the reception you would get there,still with your study of "The art of war"you may consider that you would be well prepared ? I doubt it. You want to make your mind up CDS, you said I was a " prick" a few days ago, now I'm "our friend" ? Your opinions on every subject change daily CDS, and go round in circles, you are a huge waste of bandwidth. CWDF would be ideal for you.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 11:32:43 GMT
If you have overstayed then CRT have issued you a notice,where is the micromanagement in that ? did you inform them that you would be overstaying ? If Medlock is your boat and you say the EO is a nice guy didn't you ask him why he had added "you have to return to your mooring please" If you have a mooring,I think CRT being obviously aware of this fact have just written this down with no malice whatsoever,if you were a continuous cruiser it would say "continue with your cruise please".Everyone here knows the Legal Position and of course you could do as you suggest,which begs the next question, why don't you ? I disagree completely that this is micromanagement of any sort,he can't ask you to continue with your cruise as you aren't a continuous cruiser so instead has asked you to take the boat back to its mooring.You seem to have drip fed us the facts,why didn't you ask for an authorised overstay ? Our friend Tadworth to his credit was the first to pick up on the lack of information provided,I suppose like me he will be surprised to learn that Medlock is your craft. I wonder if you have posted this on the other channel,I can well imagine the reception you would get there,still with your study of "The art of war"you may consider that you would be well prepared ? I doubt it. You want to make your mind up CDS, you said I was a " prick" a few days ago, now I'm "our friend" ? Your opinions on every subject change daily CDS, and go round in circles, you are a huge waste of bandwidth. CWDF would be ideal for you. Firstly I said our friend not my friend .Where in this thread have I gone round in circles ?i haven't.I have called into question the existence of this micromanagent policy and if it exists where does it exist ?It seems that you like everyone else don't enjoy being questioned about this perceived policy because it is simply that,a matter of your perception.It would be far better if people just answered the questions asked of them than continually avoiding them.Like I have told everyone here already,you only have to visit the CWDF thread enforcement in Milton Keynes to see an example of how you prefer to conduct a debate.If you want to pick out these cases of my opinion changing daily then please do and I will clarify every one of them,you won't of course because they don't exist.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 11:38:41 GMT
You want to make your mind up CDS, you said I was a " prick" a few days ago, now I'm "our friend" ? Your opinions on every subject change daily CDS, and go round in circles, you are a huge waste of bandwidth. CWDF would be ideal for you. Firstly I said our friend not my friend .Where in this thread have I gone round in circles ?i haven't.I have called into question the existence of this micromanagent policy and if it exists where does it exist ?It seems that you like everyone else don't enjoy being questioned about this perceived policy because it is simply that,a matter of your perception.It would be far better if people just answered the questions asked of them than continually avoiding them.Like I have told everyone here already,you only have to visit the CWDF thread enforcement in Milton Keynes to see an example of how you prefer to conduct a debate.If you want to pick out these cases of my opinion changing daily then please do and I will clarify every one of them,you won't of course because they don't exist. Kris gave you a short history of his issues and dealings with CRT. You chose to only pick on his emotional response in the post. I think it is you who are avoiding facts.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 11:39:30 GMT
Can I ask then,where do you get this impression "that its your time again for some attention" what have CRT done or said ? Are you suggesting CRT don't pick on individuals? Lots in the NBTA have been picked on so I understand. With respect this is not the question I am asking of Kris. Where people have been picked on for the issue of not moving far enough,then I am fully supportive because the Law is on our side.Where people who don't have a mooring say that they aren't prepared to move then obviously I am non supportive though I feel they still shouldn't be left homeless.What the answer is to that conundrum I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 11:42:57 GMT
Firstly I said our friend not my friend .Where in this thread have I gone round in circles ?i haven't.I have called into question the existence of this micromanagent policy and if it exists where does it exist ?It seems that you like everyone else don't enjoy being questioned about this perceived policy because it is simply that,a matter of your perception.It would be far better if people just answered the questions asked of them than continually avoiding them.Like I have told everyone here already,you only have to visit the CWDF thread enforcement in Milton Keynes to see an example of how you prefer to conduct a debate.If you want to pick out these cases of my opinion changing daily then please do and I will clarify every one of them,you won't of course because they don't exist. Kris gave you a short history of his issues and dealings with CRT. You chose to only pick on his emotional response in the post. I think it is you who are avoiding facts. Many posts into the debate Kris gave a resume of his situation,since receiving that resume where have I picked on anyone and what facts have I avoided?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 11:44:39 GMT
Just a friendly offer - as we'll be buzzing round West & North Yorkshire in June & July, if you need any help or tools Kris, we don't mind seeing to what we can manage. If you need a lift in a car to go and pick something up, for instance, or coal & logs delivered. Just saying! Why don't you PM him rather than interfering in the debate? Oh I get it that won't help your post count
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