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Post by kris on Jul 1, 2017 10:25:38 GMT
I feel it's a real shame that crt choose to view livaboard boaters as a problem. Most livaboard boaters are/could be an asset to crt if they treated us right. Like most boaters, I welcomed the change from BW to crt hoping that the entrenched "us and them" situation would come to an end and it would be a new era for the waterways. Sadly it's got worse not better, it seems that war has been declared on livaboard boaters by certain elements within crt managment. Im sure this comes from parry directly and isn't rogue elements acting on their own. So my question is what do people think the best way forward is for livaboard boaters, if we want to protect this lifestyle that we love.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 12:45:08 GMT
An independent review committee and independent ombudsmen.
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Post by tadworth on Jul 1, 2017 13:42:03 GMT
The management style of CRT is totally at odds with the lifestyle and slow pace of the waterways, they want an aggressive money making charity, constantly making changes for their managers to justify their jobs, and boaters just want the waterways to be maintained, and for things to be left alone. No manager wanting to be promoted can just leave things alone, even if they are working fine.
Big charities have become a big business now, and much of what they do is for their own benefit, the reason the charity was founded comes way down the list, it is just the means to a well paid job, and an impressive CV.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 13:54:13 GMT
The management style of CRT is totally at odds with the lifestyle and slow pace of the waterways, they want an aggressive money making charity, constantly making changes for their managers to justify their jobs, and boaters just want the waterways to be maintained, and for things to be left alone. No manager wanting to be promoted can just leave things alone, even if they are working fine. Big charities have become a big business now, and much of what they do is for their own benefit, the reason the charity was founded comes way down the list, it is just the means to a well paid job, and an impressive CV. It doesn't make it right though..
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Post by lollygagger on Jul 1, 2017 13:59:15 GMT
I think the reason CRT's behaviour is so baffling is that they are playing the political game of unintended consequences.
That is in order to be able to say "what, me guv?" they make the intended unwritten aims "unintended consequences" of justifiable measures (agree with them or not).
If we accept that they cannot openly state any unpalatable aims and we credit them with any intelligence, behind every apparently pointless change is a pointer to the unspeakable truth. Perhaps it's only the boss and a bunch of politicians who really know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:02:10 GMT
I think the reason CRT's behaviour is so baffling is that they are playing the political game of unintended consequences. That is in order to be able to say "what, me guv?" they make the intended unwritten aims "unintended consequences" of justifiable measures (agree with them or not). If we accept that they cannot openly state any unpalatable aims and we credit them with any intelligence, behind every apparently pointless change is a pointer to the unspeakable truth. Perhaps it's only the boss and a bunch of politicians who really know. Can you put that in English?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:07:17 GMT
I think the reason CRT's behaviour is so baffling is that they are playing the political game of unintended consequences. That is in order to be able to say "what, me guv?" they make the intended unwritten aims "unintended consequences" of justifiable measures (agree with them or not). If we accept that they cannot openly state any unpalatable aims and we credit them with any intelligence, behind every apparently pointless change is a pointer to the unspeakable truth. Perhaps it's only the boss and a bunch of politicians who really know. Can you put that in English? Yeh, or pass the spliff so we are all on the same channel.
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Post by lollygagger on Jul 1, 2017 14:15:27 GMT
I think the reason CRT's behaviour is so baffling is that they are playing the political game of unintended consequences. That is in order to be able to say "what, me guv?" they make the intended unwritten aims "unintended consequences" of justifiable measures (agree with them or not). If we accept that they cannot openly state any unpalatable aims and we credit them with any intelligence, behind every apparently pointless change is a pointer to the unspeakable truth. Perhaps it's only the boss and a bunch of politicians who really know. Can you put that in English? Sorry, that's the best I can do. CRT cannot say they wish to put an end to living on boats even if thst wete their only goal. They can't openly persecute liveaboards, or ban it, they can only make life more awkward and expensive. For me, living aboard is hassle free from CRT or anyone else but I accept what I see and I see them wasting my licence money on corporate clap trap, ignoring boaters, listening to bigots, neglecting maintenance and spending money on vindictive court cases. It could have been so good and still could. It needs an MP to shout about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 15:31:56 GMT
Can you put that in English? Sorry, that's the best I can do. CRT cannot say they wish to put an end to living on boats even if thst wete their only goal. They can't openly persecute liveaboards, or ban it, they can only make life more awkward and expensive. For me, living aboard is hassle free from CRT or anyone else but I accept what I see and I see them wasting my licence money on corporate clap trap, ignoring boaters, listening to bigots, neglecting maintenance and spending money on vindictive court cases. It could have been so good and still could. It needs an MP to shout about it. Nothing stopping any of us writing to an MP!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 1, 2017 20:54:11 GMT
I honestly can't say that CRT have ever showed any indication of being unhappy about me living on my boat. I've only been living aboard for a year, so maybe things will change, but I seem to be completely under their radar. Perhaps they are more tolerant of boaters who have a proper toilet?
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Post by Andyberg on Jul 1, 2017 21:03:59 GMT
I've had no hassles either, I have an official mooring on a marina where I stay during winter & never get hassle about not moving whilst out on the cut from March to October, I have no issues at all with living aboard! Where is this 'having a problem with liveaboards' coming from?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 21:21:08 GMT
Where is this 'having a problem with liveaboards' coming from? People in marinas.
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Post by Andyberg on Jul 1, 2017 21:26:24 GMT
Where is this 'having a problem with liveaboards' coming from? People in marinas. Generalising cock...... Why? Ive done years on official towpath moorings when I worked away during the week and came back at weekendto cruise around, now I find it easier living on the towpath during summer and being plugged in mains during winter on the marina plus hassle free parking of my works van how does this life cause you a problem with CRT? So what's your problem with people on marinas? , how are they the problem you imagine you have? Are they Not real boaters or are they 'too well to do' in your eyes ?
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Post by tadworth on Jul 1, 2017 21:38:00 GMT
Nothing stopping any of us writing to an MP! Here ya go, a project for tomorrow (as I suspect many boaters are shightly shloshed on a Saturday evening, as indeed we are orf to the pub in a mo'). Put your thoughts in writing, check it before sending it to every Minister for Parliament you can find. Note those who do not reply and re-send. An MP has no duty to reply to any correspondence unless you can prove that you live in their constituency. It would be a good idea to create and file share a letter setting out in detail a single issue like CRT now claiming licences are contracts contrary to what they told parliment prior to the 1995 act, that is a parliamentary matter I would hope.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 21:43:35 GMT
Generalising cock...... Why? Ive done years on official towpath moorings when I worked away during the week and came back at weekendto cruise around, now I find it easier living on the towpath during summer and being plugged in mains during winter on the marina plus hassle free parking of my works van how does this life cause you a problem with CRT? So what's your problem with people on marinas? , how are they the problem you imagine you have? Are they Not real boaters or are they 'too well to do' in your eyes ? I don't have a problem with people in marinas, as I stated in answering your post, they have problems with ccers. Hence any meeting crt holds, the first thing mentioned, is marina folk moaning about ccers. So not generalizing cock, just facts.
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