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Post by Andyberg on Jul 1, 2017 21:51:08 GMT
Generalising cock...... Why? Ive done years on official towpath moorings when I worked away during the week and came back at weekendto cruise around, now I find it easier living on the towpath during summer and being plugged in mains during winter on the marina plus hassle free parking of my works van how does this life cause you a problem with CRT? So what's your problem with people on marinas? , how are they the problem you imagine you have? Are they Not real boaters or are they 'too well to do' in your eyes ? I don't have a problem with people in marinas, as I stated in answering your post, they have problems with ccers. Hence any meeting crt holds, the first thing mentioned, is marina folk moaning about ccers. So not generalizing cock, just facts. Really? I'm amazed at that, I've never heard anyone off this marina or the opposite one in Rufford moaning about ccers or indeed, I've never heard any of the many pals I have living on official CRT towpath moorings moaning about them. The CC folks I talk to on the local water points who are actually constantly cruising don't moan about CRT hassle either. in fact, reading here, CWDF and that fuddy duddy FB narrowboat users group, it's the opposite,it's ' alledged ' CCers moaning about Marina dwellers? Oh well, it's probably just another conspiracy theory to bandy about, they are out to get us doncha know! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 22:07:52 GMT
I don't have a problem with people in marinas, as I stated in answering your post, they have problems with ccers. Hence any meeting crt holds, the first thing mentioned, is marina folk moaning about ccers. So not generalizing cock, just facts. Really? I'm amazed at that, I've never heard anyone off this marina or the opposite one in Rufford moaning about ccers or indeed, I've never heard any of the many pals I have living on official CRT towpath moorings moaning about them. The CC folks I talk to on the local water points who are actually constantly cruising don't moan about CRT hassle either. in fact, reading here, CWDF and that fuddy duddy FB narrowboat users group, it's the opposite,it's ' alledged ' CCers moaning about Marina dwellers? Oh well, it's probably just another conspiracy theory to bandy about, they are out to get us doncha know! Whatever. Some people just bury their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening 😂🤣😂🤣 |
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Post by Andyberg on Jul 1, 2017 22:18:21 GMT
Really? I'm amazed at that, I've never heard anyone off this marina or the opposite one in Rufford moaning about ccers or indeed, I've never heard any of the many pals I have living on official CRT towpath moorings moaning about them. The CC folks I talk to on the local water points who are actually constantly cruising don't moan about CRT hassle either. in fact, reading here, CWDF and that fuddy duddy FB narrowboat users group, it's the opposite,it's ' alledged ' CCers moaning about Marina dwellers? Oh well, it's probably just another conspiracy theory to bandy about, they are out to get us doncha know! Whatever. Some people just bury their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening 😂🤣😂🤣 What's not happening? Give us some info as to where exactly liveaboarders are being targeted and how? |
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Post by kris on Jul 1, 2017 23:13:35 GMT
I don't have a problem with people in marinas, as I stated in answering your post, they have problems with ccers. Hence any meeting crt holds, the first thing mentioned, is marina folk moaning about ccers. So not generalizing cock, just facts. Really? I'm amazed at that, I've never heard anyone off this marina or the opposite one in Rufford moaning about ccers or indeed, I've never heard any of the many pals I have living on official CRT towpath moorings moaning about them. The CC folks I talk to on the local water points who are actually constantly cruising don't moan about CRT hassle either. in fact, reading here, CWDF and that fuddy duddy FB narrowboat users group, it's the opposite,it's ' alledged ' CCers moaning about Marina dwellers? Oh well, it's probably just another conspiracy theory to bandy about, they are out to get us doncha know! i think you might be a blinkered or have narrow vision, or do you think everything is alright on the waterways ? Just because you denign its existence and ignore it doesn't mean it's going to go away. I suppose it depends who you talk to, to what view you get. I'll give you an example that happened to me recently, two weeks ago Monday I sailed to a location, next morning tues the liscence ranger ( data collecter) came and took my number ( no problem I only arrived the day before) on the thursday a letter arrived aty mail address telling me I've overstayed. What the fuck I'd only been there 8hrs. I've had so many stupid conversations on the phone at my cost trying to explain this sort of stuff to Crt, I can't be bothered any more. |
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Post by Andyberg on Jul 1, 2017 23:26:07 GMT
Really? I'm amazed at that, I've never heard anyone off this marina or the opposite one in Rufford moaning about ccers or indeed, I've never heard any of the many pals I have living on official CRT towpath moorings moaning about them. The CC folks I talk to on the local water points who are actually constantly cruising don't moan about CRT hassle either. in fact, reading here, CWDF and that fuddy duddy FB narrowboat users group, it's the opposite,it's ' alledged ' CCers moaning about Marina dwellers? Oh well, it's probably just another conspiracy theory to bandy about, they are out to get us doncha know! I'll give you an example that happened to me recently, two weeks ago Monday I sailed to a location, next morning tues the liscence ranger ( data collecter) came and took my number ( no problem I only arrived the day before) on the thursday a letter arrived aty mail address telling me I've overstayed. What the fuck I'd only been there 8hrs. I've had so many stupid conversations on the phone at my cost trying to explain this sort of stuff to Crt, I can't be bothered any more. Well that looks like an over officious ranger to me trying to make himself look good, if you're putting it up as an example of CRT targeting liveaboards it's a pretty piss poor one! Mebbee Im lucky in hanging around Burscough area on the L&L where there's no hassle for spaces etc so maybe don't get a 'balanced' view but at the same time, I read of all this CRT vs Liveaboards but never actually have anyone siting any actual facts or proof of it happening! Feel free to post any incidents of a liveaboard being targeted purely for being a Liveaboard as per thread title I'd be interested to read! |
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Post by kris on Jul 1, 2017 23:34:49 GMT
What about the systematic removal of online moorings? Surely if crt needs money they should be reinstating all the moorings they've got rid of. As for you thinking the example I gave was an officious data collecter it's systematic all he's done is input my number the computer has sent the letter.
What about answering my question? Do you think everything on the waterways is okay?
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Post by phil70 on Jul 1, 2017 23:39:51 GMT
I honestly can't say that CRT have ever showed any indication of being unhappy about me living on my boat. I've only been living aboard for a year, so maybe things will change, but I seem to be completely under their radar. Perhaps they are more tolerant of boaters who have a proper toilet? Define proper toilet Phil |
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Post by Andyberg on Jul 1, 2017 23:42:52 GMT
What about the systematic removal of online moorings? Surely if crt needs money they should be reinstating all the moorings they've got rid of. As for you thinking the example I gave was an officious data collecter it's systematic all he's done is input my number the computer has sent the letter. What about answering my question? Do you think everything on the waterways is okay? I'm mega pissed off at them removing online moorings, I think that's one of the best things about cruising, going past loads of moored boats of all shapes and sizes, but hypocritically,I now pay for a marina mooring after years of towpath life,so mebbee,indirectly, I'm part of the blame for the loss of part of canal life I love so much...seeing moored boats! I'm also pissed off at lack of maintenance and lack of forward vision by CRT, their misuse of money is scandalous but again...I've yet to see any examples of CRT out to get Liveaboards and am interested to see any actual occurances? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 6:26:53 GMT
Where is this 'having a problem with liveaboards' coming from? People in marinas. Maybe you should have said 'some people in marinas'?  One guy I met who runs a large hire boat company has issues with live aboards too, so it's not just limited to a few in marinas. I think it's important not to create divisions by stereotyping though, that's what they want... |
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Post by kris on Jul 2, 2017 8:03:34 GMT
For me when I use the term livaboard boater, I mean anybody who lives on a boat. That could be in a marina, or on the cut full time. Not matter how many people denigh it's a reality and want to bury there heads this lifestyle is under pressure from the policies of crt. They don't really see people living on the canal as part of their future vision for the waterways. For various reasons they cannot come out and plainly state this is the objective. So they are going about achieving their objective in an underhand way. This is what a really disagree with. They should be open and have a public debate over the future of the waterways. If the majority of the population agreed with their aims. Then boaters would have to live with that. At the moment we have a small group of individuals with no goverment oversight deciding the future of an important historical national asset. In some ways it doesn't effect me, I'm not attached to living in the UK, so if it gets impossible to live on the water in this country. I'll move to a country where it's possible because I intend to continue living on a boat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 8:21:45 GMT
Maybe you should have said 'some people in marinas'? It was a sarcastic reply initially. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 8:32:38 GMT
I believe most people would be critical of C&RT's management structure, and the apparent lack of expertise connected with maintaining the historic canal structures.
Some of the actions of C&RT in the courts beggar belief, and there is no doubt a truly independent 'watchdog' is required.
The cost of my boat licence has doubled in the last twelve years, and all other attendant costs have increased at a similar rate.
But I still do not see evidence of a conspiracy to 'get' live aboard boaters.
Regarding Kris's example on the number checker, a friend who has a C&RT mooring, took his boat off his mooring for four days last month (the first move this year) and got an e mail re overstaying!
It is evidence of an appallingly poor system, but not of targetting live aboard boaters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 8:37:31 GMT
Whatever. Some people just bury their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening 😂🤣😂🤣 What's not happening? Give us some info as to where exactly liveaboarders are being targeted and how? If you choose not to recognise what is already out there, it's pretty much pointless expecting anyone to bother with explaining it to you. There are enough answers on this forum alone to suffice. The fact that you choose to ignore them is fine, and is your prerogative. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 8:42:02 GMT
I believe most people would be critical of C&RT's management structure, and the apparent lack of expertise connected with maintaining the historic canal structures. Some of the actions of C&RT in the courts beggar belief, and there is no doubt a truly independent 'watchdog' is required. The cost of my boat licence has doubled in the last twelve years, and all other attendant costs have increased at a similar rate. But I still do not see evidence of a conspiracy to 'get' live aboard boaters. Regarding Kris's example on the number checker, a friend who has a C&RT mooring, took his boat off his mooring for four days last month (the first move this year) and got an e mail re overstaying! It is evidence of an appallingly poor system, but not of targetting live aboard boaters. Rog Do you think they have spent any time fixing a system that has been appalling for over three years now? Obviously they have not, because the system continues to screw up, even recently with your friend. Why would they not fix that system? |
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Post by Jim on Jul 2, 2017 8:46:55 GMT
What's not happening? Give us some info as to where exactly liveaboarders are being targeted and how? If you choose not to recognise what is already out there, it's pretty much pointless expecting anyone to bother with explaining it to you. There are enough answers on this forum alone to suffice. The fact that you choose to ignore them is fine, and is your prerogative. Are you a politician in real life. Expert at talking round a clear question. Tory perhaps?😂😂😂 |
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