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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 8:12:33 GMT
I suppose you could say that people who have no land accommodation options are a bit stupid or naive. I'm one of them although I could probably afford a flat in Margate but that's too depressing and miles from my family.
When I first started living on a boat I was aware that all I actually have is a floating metal box. I don't have an actual right to be anywhere. I rely on the availability of waterways with relaxed regulations, take a mooring when I need one, but living on a boat is a fundamentally insecure lifestyle unless you find the holy grail of a freehold mooring but then you will come up against idiots and planning regs.
That's just how it is but I still like it.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 12, 2017 8:13:27 GMT
Careful, Kris will invent a new category of divisiveness - those who live aboard but have some bricks and mortar somewhere, and are thus not true liveaboard, vs liveaboard without any bricks and mortar - for they are the only pure and virtuous liveaboards and they shall inherit the cut. Well you know my view, we're all liveabosrds geo - another chance for you!!!
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Post by kris on Jul 12, 2017 8:16:12 GMT
I suppose you could say that people who have no land accommodation options are a bit stupid or naive. I'm one of them although I could probably afford a flat in Margate but that's too depressing and miles from my family. When I first started living on a boat I was aware that all I actually have is a floating metal box. I don't have an actual right to be anywhere. I rely on the availability of waterways with relaxed regulations, take a mooring when I need one, but living on a boat is a fundamentally insecure lifestyle unless you find the holy grail of a freehold mooring but then you will come up against idiots and planning regs. That's just how it is but I still like it. Exactly, I don't want bricks and mortar. I like the nomadic lifestyle it is how I have lived all of my life, so I'm not going to stop now. If it gets too expensive or difficult to live on a boat in this country then I will move. Because I'd like to continue living on the water.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 8:18:25 GMT
I've noticed over the years there is a category of boater who tries living on the cut for a few years but discover that it is actually very restrictive and a bit tedious so they sell and buy a seagoing boat instead.
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Post by peterboat on Jul 12, 2017 8:19:19 GMT
I was going to say something but we have to go to the launderette. Perhaps if we were real liveaboards we'd have six large solar panels for our onboard washing machine. Nine Foxy you forgot the dishwasher
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 8:21:09 GMT
Or go to France
I was reading on the Thames forum that the canal du midi is a filthy stinking ditch full of residential boats and no pumpout facilities.
I've considered France as other half is French. Its a different ball game to the UK - much bigger waterways, cheaper licenses but bigger boats as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 8:21:37 GMT
I think the biggest factor in that, is whether you have somewhere on land you can fall back on if something goes tits up with the boat or ones heath. I'm fortunate that I do, but those who don't, must feel much more vulnerable...especially those who are older and those with disabilities. If you don't have direct personal experience of something, how can you possibly know all about it. I've never played in an FA cup final, I've watched it on telly so ive got an idea. But I can't know what it's like to play, because I've never done it. It's the same for everything in life. You are right. I wonder if Nick knows what it's like to crash in a glider? I do! I think it's one of the great things about chatting to people you don't know. You get a better insight into how the other live. I do it on the tow path a lot, what I find there is that we are much more similar than we think...
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Post by peterboat on Jul 12, 2017 8:22:55 GMT
I suppose you could say that people who have no land accommodation options are a bit stupid or naive. I'm one of them although I could probably afford a flat in Margate but that's too depressing and miles from my family. When I first started living on a boat I was aware that all I actually have is a floating metal box. I don't have an actual right to be anywhere. I rely on the availability of waterways with relaxed regulations, take a mooring when I need one, but living on a boat is a fundamentally insecure lifestyle unless you find the holy grail of a freehold mooring but then you will come up against idiots and planning regs. That's just how it is but I still like it. We have a house as well but I rarely go there, cant wait until its rented out and we are CCs preferably on the broads in the electric bathtub!!
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Post by kris on Jul 12, 2017 8:25:44 GMT
If you don't have direct personal experience of something, how can you possibly know all about it. I've never played in an FA cup final, I've watched it on telly so ive got an idea. But I can't know what it's like to play, because I've never done it. It's the same for everything in life. You are right. I wonder if Nick knows what it's like to crash in a glider? I do! I think it's one of the great things about chatting to people you don't know. You get a better insight into how the other live. I do it on the tow path a lot, what I find there is that we are much more similar than we think... Your right it's by sharing our experiences that we gain greater knowledge of the world, but it's still not direct experience. If someone started telling you about something that had happened to them, would you tell them they are wrong that's not what happened? Which is what Nick is trying to do, making out he knows more about the situation than the person it happened to.
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Post by kris on Jul 12, 2017 8:26:53 GMT
I suppose you could say that people who have no land accommodation options are a bit stupid or naive. I'm one of them although I could probably afford a flat in Margate but that's too depressing and miles from my family. When I first started living on a boat I was aware that all I actually have is a floating metal box. I don't have an actual right to be anywhere. I rely on the availability of waterways with relaxed regulations, take a mooring when I need one, but living on a boat is a fundamentally insecure lifestyle unless you find the holy grail of a freehold mooring but then you will come up against idiots and planning regs. That's just how it is but I still like it. We have a house as well but I rarely go there, cant wait until its rented out and we are CCs preferably on the broads in the electric bathtub!! We've still not seen any photos of the bath tub ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 8:27:14 GMT
I've noticed over the years there is a category of boater who tries living on the cut for a few years but discover that it is actually very restrictive and a bit tedious so they sell and buy a seagoing boat instead. I think it's the limited space which puts the vast majority off. You have to be prepared to live like a minimalist really. Access to a variety of waterways is nice too. Especially the sea.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 12, 2017 8:29:55 GMT
I've noticed over the years there is a category of boater who tries living on the cut for a few years but discover that it is actually very restrictive and a bit tedious so they sell and buy a seagoing boat instead.
Of course I do have Shapfell for ditch running
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 8:36:26 GMT
You are right. I wonder if Nick knows what it's like to crash in a glider? I do! I think it's one of the great things about chatting to people you don't know. You get a better insight into how the other live. I do it on the tow path a lot, what I find there is that we are much more similar than we think... Your right it's by sharing our experiences that we gain greater knowledge of the world, but it's still not direct experience. If someone started telling you about something that had happened to them, would you tell them they are wrong that's not what happened? Which is what Nick is trying to do, making out he knows more about the situation than the person it happened to. Nick has his faults like the rest of us! I think quite a few people on CWF suspected you of lying about your situation when you first came on. I'm getting the feeling that since holding your own on there and here, that suspicion has subsided. So it is good to talk even if you can't be in someone's shoes. Anyway, what are you up to now everything seems to be Ok? Got any trips planned, more renovation to do? I was wondering whether CRT will let you give up that mooring now.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 8:38:55 GMT
If you don't have direct personal experience of something, how can you possibly know all about it. I've never played in an FA cup final, I've watched it on telly so ive got an idea. But I can't know what it's like to play, because I've never done it. It's the same for everything in life. You are right. I wonder if Nick knows what it's like to crash in a glider? I do! Unfortunately yes, although it was 35 years ago. Fortunately I was young and therefore immortal at the time.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 8:40:43 GMT
Your right it's by sharing our experiences that we gain greater knowledge of the world, but it's still not direct experience. If someone started telling you about something that had happened to them, would you tell them they are wrong that's not what happened? Which is what Nick is trying to do, making out he knows more about the situation than the person it happened to. Nick has his faults like the rest of us! I think quite a few people on CWF suspected you of lying about your situation when you first came on. I'm getting the feeling that since holding your own on there and here, that suspicion has subsided. So it is good to talk even if you can't be in someone's shoes. Anyway, what are you up to now everything seems to be Ok? Got any trips planned, more renovation to do? I was wondering whether CRT will let you give up that mooring now. I certainly didn't think Kris was lying about his situation. Just that he was misguided about the consequences.
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