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Post by gigoguy on Aug 11, 2017 11:24:07 GMT
I can't give you specific details. I have at least 2 boat names and boaters names. One of them is now dead. Which I attribute in no small part to him being hounded by BCCL staff.
Another they still hold but last I heard the bill was standing around £8k the boat being worth £5k, in it's present state, at best.
But that's not the real problem. There are probably hundreds of boaters that have paid for over staying even though there are no signs anywhere on the canal to indicate any policy. Nothing to say it's private water.
In Lymm village this time of year there would normally be 30-40 boats yesterday there were 5 and none were CaRT all were Bridgewater boats. Lymm village is dead 3 pubs have closed 2 restaurants the deli 3 banks and the post office. All in the space of 3 years since this policy has been in place.
If it isn't stopped there won't be a Bridgewater canal for much longer
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 14:03:58 GMT
I can't give you specific details. I have at least 2 boat names and boaters names. One of them is now dead. Which I attribute in no small part to him being hounded by BCCL staff. Another they still hold but last I heard the bill was standing around £8k the boat being worth £5k, in it's present state, at best. But that's not the real problem. There are probably hundreds of boaters that have paid for over staying even though there are no signs anywhere on the canal to indicate any policy. Nothing to say it's private water. In Lymm village this time of year there would normally be 30-40 boats yesterday there were 5 and none were CaRT all were Bridgewater boats. Lymm village is dead 3 pubs have closed 2 restaurants the deli 3 banks and the post office. All in the space of 3 years since this policy has been in place. If it isn't stopped there won't be a Bridgewater canal for much longer As private owners presumably Peel Holdings can do what they like with the canal or am I missing something here?
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Post by gigoguy on Aug 11, 2017 14:17:28 GMT
I can't give you specific details. I have at least 2 boat names and boaters names. One of them is now dead. Which I attribute in no small part to him being hounded by BCCL staff. Another they still hold but last I heard the bill was standing around £8k the boat being worth £5k, in it's present state, at best. But that's not the real problem. There are probably hundreds of boaters that have paid for over staying even though there are no signs anywhere on the canal to indicate any policy. Nothing to say it's private water. In Lymm village this time of year there would normally be 30-40 boats yesterday there were 5 and none were CaRT all were Bridgewater boats. Lymm village is dead 3 pubs have closed 2 restaurants the deli 3 banks and the post office. All in the space of 3 years since this policy has been in place. If it isn't stopped there won't be a Bridgewater canal for much longer As private owners presumably Peel Holdings can do what they like with the canal or am I missing something here? Yeah obviously you're missing a great deal. Primarily your marbles Yeah obviously you're missing a great deal. Primarily your marbles
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 14:18:27 GMT
No need to be rude, perhaps you would like to enlighten me
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Post by gigoguy on Aug 11, 2017 14:33:34 GMT
No need to be rude, perhaps you would like to enlighten me Just because something is privately owned does not give the owner the right to do anything they want with it. Listed buildings, trees, sites of natural beauty etc etc etc etc. If the owners of private canals were able to do what they want with them then we wouldn't have any because until IWA etc etc got involved. The government and local authorities and private companies wanted to fill them all in. Yes it's privately owned but it's of outstanding historical significance and it's the only way across the country without taking a 200 mile 150 lock 15 day hard slog detour to get round. Are you enlightened?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 14:43:37 GMT
Thank you
Are there not be sections, not protected, that could be developed with suitable planning permission?
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Post by JohnV on Aug 11, 2017 14:48:10 GMT
No need to be rude, perhaps you would like to enlighten me Are you enlightened? If you are trying to build a consensus of support, being rude or sarcastic is not ideal. just saying
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Post by gigoguy on Aug 11, 2017 14:52:16 GMT
Thank you Are there not be sections, not protected, that could be developed with suitable planning permission? Well yes but what's that got to do with them threatening boaters, extorting money and illegally impounding peoples homes? At the start of this year they closed the canal for 4 months. They wanted to close it for 6. In the middle of the cruising season. No one could get anywhere. Their excuse was they wanted to repair a bridge. What they wanted to do was lay foundations for a housing estate. So they actually filled in the canal and drove wagons over it for 4 months. It took one day to remove the old bridge and 2 days to replace the new one. That is Peel Holdings for you
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Post by gigoguy on Aug 11, 2017 14:56:25 GMT
If you are trying to build a consensus of support, being rude or sarcastic is not ideal. just saying You're right I'm sorry. I came here from another place and I really am not in the mood to argue with fascists over private property. Soz to billy too I'm sure you're not at all like those in the green chairs
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Post by thebfg on Aug 11, 2017 15:32:40 GMT
1. At Preston Brook in June when we went past there was a sign saying 'Bridgewater Canal - valid licence required' or somesuch. 2. I get the ideal they want to sell it to China. Perhaps build a 'university' and fill it with 'slitty eyes'* just as Oxford University has done. Give them degrees (for a backhander) and they will come! *copyright Prince Phillip I thought there was a sign explaining things at the entrance. why would they need to repeat it?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 11, 2017 15:53:28 GMT
I can't give you specific details. I have at least 2 boat names and boaters names. One of them is now dead. Which I attribute in no small part to him being hounded by BCCL staff. Another they still hold but last I heard the bill was standing around £8k the boat being worth £5k, in it's present state, at best. But that's not the real problem. There are probably hundreds of boaters that have paid for over staying even though there are no signs anywhere on the canal to indicate any policy. Nothing to say it's private water. In Lymm village this time of year there would normally be 30-40 boats yesterday there were 5 and none were CaRT all were Bridgewater boats. Lymm village is dead 3 pubs have closed 2 restaurants the deli 3 banks and the post office. All in the space of 3 years since this policy has been in place. If it isn't stopped there won't be a Bridgewater canal for much longer I don't doubt any of what you're saying about Peel as a NA and waterway owners. However, I'm still not quite sure what you're after here, can you be more explicit and detailed about what needs to be 'stopped', and how you think that goal could be achieved. The plain truth is that the Bridgewater is privately owned, and it's in the hands of an outfit who have no interest in running or retaining anything that doesn't make heaps of money. There isn't going to be any sort of help or support forthcoming from C&RT, nor would there be any enthusiasm for involvement from the Government, who have in effect already privatised all the C&RT controlled waterways on the sly with the intention of ridding themselves of responsibility for funding and operation.
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Post by gigoguy on Aug 11, 2017 16:11:57 GMT
I can't give you specific details. I have at least 2 boat names and boaters names. One of them is now dead. Which I attribute in no small part to him being hounded by BCCL staff. Another they still hold but last I heard the bill was standing around £8k the boat being worth £5k, in it's present state, at best. But that's not the real problem. There are probably hundreds of boaters that have paid for over staying even though there are no signs anywhere on the canal to indicate any policy. Nothing to say it's private water. In Lymm village this time of year there would normally be 30-40 boats yesterday there were 5 and none were CaRT all were Bridgewater boats. Lymm village is dead 3 pubs have closed 2 restaurants the deli 3 banks and the post office. All in the space of 3 years since this policy has been in place. If it isn't stopped there won't be a Bridgewater canal for much longer I don't doubt any of what you're saying about Peel as a NA and waterway owners. However, I'm still not quite sure what you're after here, can you be more explicit and detailed about what needs to be 'stopped', and how you think that goal could be achieved. The plain truth is that the Bridgewater is privately owned, and it's in the hands of an outfit who have no interest in running or retaining anything that doesn't make heaps of money. There isn't going to be any sort of help or support forthcoming from C&RT, nor would there be any enthusiasm for involvement from the Government, who have in effect already privatised all the C&RT controlled waterways on the sly with the intention of ridding themselves of responsibility for funding and operation. In the first instance what needs to be stopped is BCCL from extorting money from boaters with no legal right to do so. I get the impression from your post that you're suggesting we just roll over and accept it. As I've already said. Just because it's privately owned doesn't mean they can do what they want with it. There are hundreds of jobs that depend on this waterway. There are communities and businesses that only survive because of it and it is an integral and vital part of the canal system in the north west and one of the most popular cruising rings in the country. And it's dead!!!! For goodness sake am I the only boater in here north of watford?
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Post by thebfg on Aug 11, 2017 16:23:06 GMT
I can't give you specific details. I have at least 2 boat names and boaters names. One of them is now dead. Which I attribute in no small part to him being hounded by BCCL staff. Another they still hold but last I heard the bill was standing around £8k the boat being worth £5k, in it's present state, at best. But that's not the real problem. There are probably hundreds of boaters that have paid for over staying even though there are no signs anywhere on the canal to indicate any policy. Nothing to say it's private water. In Lymm village this time of year there would normally be 30-40 boats yesterday there were 5 and none were CaRT all were Bridgewater boats. Lymm village is dead 3 pubs have closed 2 restaurants the deli 3 banks and the post office. All in the space of 3 years since this policy has been in place. If it isn't stopped there won't be a Bridgewater canal for much longer . There isn't going to be any sort of help or support forthcoming from C&RT Tony. I don't know the ins and out of this but as a side issue do you feel or know that if Bridgewater broke the agreement they have in place with crt. That crt wouldn't help even though it's their agreement. and their customers getting shafted.
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Post by gigoguy on Aug 11, 2017 16:24:30 GMT
Here is a post by IWA and on it is a letter to send to your MP regarding the issue. Last month there was a cross party meeting at the houses of parliament to discuss waterways issues. BCCL were there and were approached by everyone. Their response was that the new arrangement suits them. www.waterways.org.uk/news/view?id=280Please support the Bridgewater
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Post by Jim on Aug 11, 2017 16:28:35 GMT
Oops thought I'd posted a reply, but it's lost in the ether. Gigoguy sent me a pm with his story, I've asked him to post it for all to read. Peel are bastards! However they can probably charge non licence holders passing through, but there should be clear signage if there isn't, and boaters should be treated with respect and sympathy if they have a genuine problem. Overstayers should be dealt with according to the act, 1 month notice etc, not just summarily snatching boats. I'm tempted to get £40 in pennies from the bank, hand it to them if requested, more hassle than a cheque. Are that many pennies legal tender? I reckon the problem has been caused by piss taking CMers, when CART tightened up on them some moved onto the Bridgwater. Having passed through 2 of the boundaries in autumn last year, Leigh and Castlefield, I saw several scruffy boats just in the CART side of the border, complete with the mandatory towpath full of junk with each boat. Looked like they had been chased off the Bridgewater, why else moor there?
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