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Post by Higgs on May 16, 2016 20:47:17 GMT
I've got time for some people with religious views. My cousin is a devout Christian. I just switch off when the cousin goes into preaching mode. The cousin is a bit concerned for my soul; means well, but I have different ideas.
I'm sure your cousin would be distraught to discover that the only thing that is going to happen to both your soul and his is that worms are going to eat them and shit them out shortly afterwards.
My cousin had to live with my uncle. He was a lay preacher. A daily diet of lay preaching had its influence. Children don't really have an easy way to throw that off, without alot of effort. Daily learning of verses from a religious book, from an early age, becomes ingrained.
My cousin has ideas about what death brings. As far as they are concerned, I'm going to be lost.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 20:49:37 GMT
I tell you another thing that annoys me and thats these children's groups,you know the ones that every time a Male Teacher sleeps with a pupil they pop up on the news, recommending the Electric Chair, meanwhile if its a woman teacher that has been convicted of a similar offence,its tea and biscuits Where are all these Childrens groups,Kidscape etc what are their views about these schools?
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Post by Saltysplash on May 16, 2016 20:50:58 GMT
or you could be taken to Hel (yes 1 L) and there enjoy the feasting and merry making while awaiting the final conflict of the Gods during Ragnarok. Not sure if you'd have to do any fighting during Ragnarok, I think that perk is reserved for those in Valhalla
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 20:53:12 GMT
The whole point of religious education is to create divisions in society. Instructing young people that such a thing as a god exists should be permitted only where there is evidence which can withstand scientific scrutiny that such a thing exists. Once we think we know all the answers I think we stop learning. Everything in our lives can be used for good and bad purposes. This ranges from the knife to religion. The most important thing is knowing the difference between good and bad. I'm not sure our brains can do that alone.
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Post by Saltysplash on May 16, 2016 20:56:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 21:02:51 GMT
The whole point of religious education is to create divisions in society. Instructing young people that such a thing as a god exists should be permitted only where there is evidence which can withstand scientific scrutiny that such a thing exists. Once we think we know all the answers I think we stop learning. Everything in our lives can be used for good and bad purposes. This ranges from the knife to religion. The most important thing is knowing the difference between good and bad. I'm not sure our brains can do that alone. That last sentence is an interesting one,are you saying our brains are incapable without gods guidance when it comes to deciding right from wrong?
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Post by Higgs on May 16, 2016 21:04:15 GMT
I've got time for some people with religious views. My cousin is a devout Christian. I just switch off when the cousin goes into preaching mode. The cousin is a bit concerned for my soul; means well, but I have different ideas.
I must agree with you Higgs my views of Religion are pretty ambivalent,but its the subversion through the back door that riles me,along with the acquiesce of the liberal middle class elite.Anotherr example tonight was Angela Jolie lecturing us about taking more refugees.The relevance of what she was saying was neither here nor there,what annoyed me was that she could make them even although she would never have the pleasure of living next door to some of them
I understand what you say, about Angelina Jolie. But, for the most part, we don't experience the plight of refugees. She probably has a closer experience of refugee misery. I find the whole thing overwhelming.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 16, 2016 21:05:32 GMT
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Post by Higgs on May 16, 2016 21:10:42 GMT
Once we think we know all the answers I think we stop learning. Everything in our lives can be used for good and bad purposes. This ranges from the knife to religion. The most important thing is knowing the difference between good and bad. I'm not sure our brains can do that alone. That last sentence is an interesting one,are you saying our brains are incapable without gods guidance when it comes to deciding right from wrong?
I suppose religion is a reference point, for the religious. For the non religious, it is humans and humanity. Obviously, we are all human, but not necessarily the main focus of how some behave; as is illustrated by IS.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 21:13:15 GMT
I must agree with you Higgs my views of Religion are pretty ambivalent,but its the subversion through the back door that riles me,along with the acquiesce of the liberal middle class elite.Anotherr example tonight was Angela Jolie lecturing us about taking more refugees.The relevance of what she was saying was neither here nor there,what annoyed me was that she could make them even although she would never have the pleasure of living next door to some of them
I understand what you say, about Angelina Jolie. But, for the most part, we don't experience the plight of refugees. She probably has a closer experience of refugee misery. I find the whole thing overwhelming.
I think you give her too much credibility.I have a real issue with all these celebrities campaigning for more refugees and more immigration, They don't have to live next door,they don't have to send their kids to a school where English is the third and fourth language taught, don't have to use an NHS thats swamped with them.Some people may say thats rascism,I would say these are the issues,where are the resources to deal with them.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 16, 2016 21:13:46 GMT
We're going to Norway this Autumn. Don't think we're going to Hell though, just the train from Oslo to Bremen. It will make a bit of a change from the usual canal holiday.
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Post by Higgs on May 16, 2016 21:30:32 GMT
I understand what you say, about Angelina Jolie. But, for the most part, we don't experience the plight of refugees. She probably has a closer experience of refugee misery. I find the whole thing overwhelming.
I think you give her too much credibility.I have a real issue with all these celebrities campaigning for more refugees and more immigration, They don't have to live next door,they don't have to send their kids to a school where English is the third and fourth language taught, don't have to use an NHS thats swamped with them.Some people may say thats rascism,I would say these are the issues,where are the resources to deal with them.
I think there is a difference between immigration and refugees. I'm well aware of the effect the rapid influx of foreign people can have on the society they come into. Not being a very gradual influx process, it can feel very threatening to the natural order of life. It is arrogant of governments to expect the adaptation to these changes to happen painlessly. I'm not in favour of Schengen. As someone on here has already said - if it were not for Schengen, it may have been easier to take in and accept more refugees; people who really need help.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 21:53:13 GMT
That last sentence is an interesting one,are you saying our brains are incapable without gods guidance when it comes to deciding right from wrong?
I suppose religion is a reference point, for the religious. For the non religious, it is humans and humanity. Obviously, we are all human, but not necessarily the main focus of how some behave; as is illustrated by IS.
As is often the case in academic discussions about humanists/atheists/religion etc, the important bit gets left out...being nice..
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 22:03:37 GMT
I suppose religion is a reference point, for the religious. For the non religious, it is humans and humanity. Obviously, we are all human, but not necessarily the main focus of how some behave; as is illustrated by IS.
As is often the case in academic discussions about humanists/atheists/religion etc, the important bit gets left out...being nice.. I don't know if it's Higgs or I that your replying to,I was hoping you would expand on the last sentence to aid my understanding of your point
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Post by naughtyfox on May 17, 2016 7:41:59 GMT
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