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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 16:46:43 GMT
So who is it you used to work for Kris? How do you mean? Well you did work for them. What happened?
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Post by kris on Jul 12, 2017 16:53:45 GMT
I left because I couldn't stand working for an organisation that is so crooked in its operation, the staff are probably more pissed off with them than boaters. When you work for them you see another side of the organisation ( I use that term loosely.) I've had lots of conversations with some of the main players in the changes they are planing, when they think you are one of the gang and not a boater, you hear a different side of the story. I'm not so crass as to get into he said she said, they were private conversations. So please don't ask, but I've definately had my eyes opened.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:29:25 GMT
I realise my contributing is pointless, as this is more an opportunity to throw insults than a genuine discussion, but I'm game.
I suppose the waterways you travel will dictate your view point.
For example, the first time I travelled through Stoke it was utterly horrible. Dereliction and decay. Youths lobbing stones from derelict buildings. A real gauntlet you had to run.
It's no problem at all now, but you are passing through retail and industrial parks, and new housing at Westport lake. The latter is now one of the most popular moorings in the area.
I remember travelling the Shroppie out of Stone, north and doing the Meaford flight of locks in splendid isolation. Same situation south of Compton lock on the Staffs and Worc. These locks are now in housing estates. Kidderminster on the same canal was a no stopping area, but people often moor now without problem. And has already been mentioned, much of BCN is greatly improved in recent years.
Many 'trouble spots' on the system seem to improve the more accessible they become. It seems to drive out the vandals to a degree.
Maybe it's a state of mind that dictates whether one considers the developments to be improvement and to be welcomed, or an intrusion to be fought against.
Wherever possible I avoid mooring outside houses, by choice. I am able to, and don't mind walking. I also have no desire to cause unnecessary grief to residents, for the sake of, in many cases a few hundred yards.
I'm sure with a modicum of effort, there's room for us all.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:32:20 GMT
Not quite sure if you are allowed to say that
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Post by kris on Jul 12, 2017 17:36:18 GMT
I realise my contributing is pointless, as this is more an opportunity to throw insults than a genuine discussion, but I'm game. I'm sure with a modicum of effort, there's room for us all. Rog My intention by starting these threads is to start discussions about the issues, so your input is welcome rog. Unfortunately there are a few people who don't want us to be free to talk openly so start throwing insults, if attacked I fight back. I think your last line says it all, with a little bit of consideration there is space for us all, for me the problems arise when boaters needs aren't taken into consideration in these waterside developments.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:47:32 GMT
I agree it is a bit wrong when people move into canalside properties then moan about boats.
But.
I'll recount some of my own recent experience. I usually hang around in the Limehouse area. One boat on a mooring the other cc ing so I have to move it. New flats have recently been built opposite my mooring (spits on floor).
So a big old rough looking boat moored outside these flats (towpath side) and proceeded to run a large very noisy diesel driven generator until late in the evening. It was very loud. I know they have the right to do this but it is fundamentally inconsiderate and likely to give the wrong idea about itinerant boaters. In theory people can recognise the difference and judge people on their actual behaviour. I hope so but I suspect human nature says otherwise.
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Post by kris on Jul 12, 2017 17:52:59 GMT
Yes it takes consideration on both sides, I take it boats have moored in this spot for a long time. Well longer than the flats anyway. So what about crt insisting that the developers put electricity bollards in ( obviously paying) so boats can still moor there but don't have to run generators for power. So the flat owners are happy and the boaters are happy well happyish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:58:55 GMT
Actually its a spot where nobody used to moor until the flats were built. Grim east london derelict industrial shithole type of area (full of wogs and scrotes). Now that there are new flats there and everywhere in Hackney and Islington is double or treble moored permanently people are turning up in this dump because there is nowhere else to moor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:06:55 GMT
The elsan outside Marsworth junction, which was an old BW yard, is now the pooshiest 'architects drawing' type of housing development.
The elsan, tap and skip are still there, and there are rings to use, but if you're waiting your turn you are bang outside the houses.
There are signs requesting people turn off their engine (although the small narrow I was waiting behind declined to do so) but it is obviously going to create conflict at some point, smokey engines, smokey chimneys, loud music etc. (my neighbour also had his music playing loudly at about 9am).
A bit more care in planning would have moved the elsan etc off the residential site.
The only solution now is a bit of consideration, but that can be in short supply.
Rog
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Post by JohnV on Jul 12, 2017 18:10:22 GMT
I am not against development per se. but where there is, for example a yard doing boat repairs / welding and the general industrial works needed for even the maintenance of modern nb's (let alone restoration works on historic barges,) why for goodness sake build flats right up next to them and then put pressure on the yard to close because of "environmental concerns" for dust and fumes in a "residential area". ....... it wasn't a residential area until the council gave planning permission to build the sodding flats next door !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:11:52 GMT
The elsan outside Marsworth junction, which was an old BW yard, is now the pooshiest 'architects drawing' type of housing development. The elsan, tap and skip are still there, and there are rings to use, but if you're waiting your turn you are bang outside the houses. There are signs requesting people turn off their engine (although the small narrow I was waiting behind declined to do so) but it is obviously going to create conflict at some point, smokey engines, smokey chimneys, loud music etc. (my neighbour also had his music playing loudly at about 9am). A bit more care in planning would have moved the elsan etc off the residential site. The only solution now is a bit of consideration, but that can be in short supply. Rog The canal and boats were there before the development was built. If you don't like chickens and the smell of cowshit, dont build near a farm. If you don't like boats, or the smell of dogshit, dont buy a house near the canal. How simple is that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:12:02 GMT
I heard it had been developed. Last time I passed there was still the BW house and some industrial use for concrete fence posts or something. Not an appropriate location for housing. I blame Tony Blair.
Its a good example of how to mix "desirable canalside living" with the reality of a canal being used by a variety of boat users. If it weren't for the boats then the living would be less desirable (unless you are a fisherman-spotter) but it does illustrate the point well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:15:06 GMT
I am not against development per se. but where there is, for example a yard doing boat repairs / welding and the general industrial works needed for even the maintenance of modern nb's (let alone restoration works on historic barges,) why for goodness sake build flats right up next to them and then put pressure on the yard to close because of "environmental concerns" for dust and fumes in a "residential area". ....... it wasn't a residential area until the council gave planning permission to build the sodding flats next door !!! I remember there used to be a large sign outside Concoform Marine in Weedon on the GU saying something like "If you do not like the activity and noise associated with a working boatyard then DO NOT buy a house opposite it". This was in response to a new housing development being put up on the other side of the canal. I thought it was excellent. Late 90s/early 00s.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 12, 2017 18:18:45 GMT
I heard it had been developed. Last time I passed there was still the BW house and some industrial use for concrete fence posts or something. Not an appropriate location for housing. I blame Tony Blair.I do too ........ for most of the ills of today ...... the lying, scheming, money grubbing Potus's poodle
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 18:19:18 GMT
The elsan outside Marsworth junction, which was an old BW yard, is now the pooshiest 'architects drawing' type of housing development. The elsan, tap and skip are still there, and there are rings to use, but if you're waiting your turn you are bang outside the houses. There are signs requesting people turn off their engine (although the small narrow I was waiting behind declined to do so) but it is obviously going to create conflict at some point, smokey engines, smokey chimneys, loud music etc. (my neighbour also had his music playing loudly at about 9am). A bit more care in planning would have moved the elsan etc off the residential site. The only solution now is a bit of consideration, but that can be in short supply. Rog The canal and boats were there before the development was built. If you don't like chickens and the smell of cowshit, dont build near a farm. If you don't like boats, or the smell of dogshit, dont buy a house near the canal. How simple is that? However in the "good old days" when I started boating, you never saw (or heard!) portable generators. They are a new fad to go with boaters who don't boat much. I'm sure the local residents would be quite happy for the canals to be as they were before the development was built - ie lots of horses clip clopping along and no portable music, no portable generators. Plenty of horse poo for the roses!
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